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Drunken neighbour

  • 01-07-2022 10:12am
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    Registered Users Posts: 11


    How do I deal with a drunk?

    I currently live in a flat. In a house that was converted into flats.

    One of the other tenants is a drunk and I didn't know what to do last night.

    I came home to find the front door open, left wide open. It wasn't the first time. Anyone could have walked in. This time, I came in to find this tenant on the floor in the hallway. He was like a child on the floor. He is a man in his 50s.


    His keys fell on the floor, so I opened his flat and tried to get him in. He wouldn't go in. It took me 30 minutes to try and get him in. And when I did, he fell backwards on the floor and wouldn't wake up after that. I tried to wake him, I didn't know if he died or if he needed help. But I stayed with him for a few minutes and he was breathing and groaning while passed out on the floor. I put it down as him just being a drunk. But not sure if this was the best thing to do. I really don't. I didn't know if he was injured or dying.


    I have no experience of this level of drunkenness in people. Is this normal?

    But I don't need this in my life. I didn't sign up to child mind an adult like this and trying to get someone into their own home. Then to give me a heart attack by passing out on the floor and I didn't know what to do. Grand, this was the first time. But, security wise, he's not closing the door after him and leaving it open and that wasn't the first time.


    If it happens again, what do I do. He got himself in such a state himself, it's not my responsibility to look after him, his own family doesn't want anything to do with him. I don't understand he was able to get from the pub, and find the right house, open the front door but that was it, couldn't get into his flat. How can someone be this bad. Is this normal with alcoholics? Could I just step over him the next time and not care?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Squatman


     it's not my responsibility to look after him,


    Step over him and mind your own business. nothing to do with you. and if you feel you must interfere in other peoples business, call the local gards and he will get b&B for himself. not your place to interfere and be putting him into his own house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    Step over him the next time.

    no point in saying anything to him or helping him, you more than likely wouldn’t be the first person to tell him or give advice.

    inform the landlord this time what he is at and to deal with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    I you think he's not safe call an ambulance, if you can out him in the recovery position on his side. After that it's not your problem.

    Let the LL know the security problems.

    How he got home, either he got drunker as he walked home or he was helped home by "friends" who abandoned him inside the door.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Poiuy_b


    I wasn't interfering in anyone's business. He mentioned before that he had heart issues. I hadn't a clue if he was sick or something. What was I meant to do, just leave him? I eventually realised he was just drunk. But I had to wheel the wheelie bins out for collection, they are kept at the back of the house and I had to wheel it through the house to the front and he was in the way anyways.

    Next time I will just step over him though. I don't need to be dealing with drunks at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    It is really none of your business, you share a hallway, that is about it. I understand that you are trying to help your neighbour, but you are kind of wasting your time here to be honest. I find it hard to believe that you haven't dealt with a drunk before either, Ireland is full of them? They may not always have been on your doorstep... but hey, welcome to the jungle baby.

    To answer your initial question, I would keep being friendly and neighbourly to your neighbour, love them. The reality is that alcohol abuse is a very common issue in Ireland and has been for centuries. If you attempt to bring the matter up in the morning you will be initially met with a trite apology, smothering your neighbour's genuine feelings about you sticking your nose in where it does not belong. Don't bother. Your neighbour knows exactly where he is in life and how he is currently managing things, he does not need you to remind him, unless your buying lol.

    Be polite and be a neighbour. As long as he is paying his rent your LL will not want to know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    i find some of the responses strange here.

    If the neighbour wants to be drunk on the street that’s one thing but opening up the front door, leaving it wide open and then passing out is something else. That is a risk to the safety and security of all of the other tenants and needs to be dealt with.

    its a difficult one as the man clearly has enough problems without getting out out, but you have to think of safety if everyone.

    id also not call helping someone interfering in their business. Man could have choked on his own vomit and then OP would have felt guilty for just stepping over him. Mind you, sane could have happened in his bed after you put him in. I’d call the Gardai and ambulance next time OP if it happens again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    some responses are actually very disturbing, it shows how much work we have to do in regards dealing with mental health and addiction issues, even though there can be no easy solutions for many of these situations. this is a difficult one, the person in question clearly needs professional help asap, but this could be difficult to obtain, but surely theres groups such as aa that could be contacted? contacting the landlord could actually exasperate the situation, but its an understandable reaction....



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Poiuy_b


    After dealing with him, the other evening and realising he was a complete drunk, I'm just going to step over him in future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭NiceFella


    Have you any personal experience with alcoholics? I've a few in my family (sober now thankfully) and I would say I was very close to cutting them out of my life such was the destruction they caused. I have the utmost sympathy for the condition but the old saying "You can't help someone who won't help themselves" is very true.

    This person is a stranger to the OP. The OP didn't sign up to be a counselor for some randomer. He's hardly going to do anything his own family haven't tried to do.

    That said, I'd never step over someone. I'd put them in recovery at least but wouldn't put him in his flat. OP you could probably have a word with him when he's sober if you feel comfortable talking to him. Tell him being drunk is his problem but leaving the door wide open is everyone's problem etc. You'd be surprised that they can register that info. Also tell the landlord.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yes of course, alcoholism is probably the most common form of addiction, so you ll find most would have had direct experience with it, including myself. yes addict's are extremely difficult to deal with, such is the complexity of such behaviors, but all humans are susceptible to this, including ourselves, yes it is true that people who find themselves in these situations find it virtually impossible to help themselves, this is where our social responsibility should kick in. yes most of us cannot directly help such folks, but most of us have the ability to pick up a phone and call services than can directly help, such as the emergency services.

    ignoring such situations will not resolve them, we cannot continually ignore such social dysfunctions, as this will not resolve them, im guilty of doing this myself, attempting to ridicule and shame such behavior, will simply not work, direct action must be taken, baring in mind, some peoples 'rock bottom' is simply, death!

    again, the op is not required to be a counselor, but a possible gateway to one, via a simply phone call.....

    again, even though the advice of notifying the landlord may make sense, its very likely the landlord will respond with an eviction, this actually wont solve the problem at all, it just moves it else where, and would probably just exasperate it...

    ...please just make the simple phone call, and allow the professionals deal with it, and hopefully appropriately....



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its a horrible situation to be in, OP. I sympathise.

    I wouldnt walk over him, or put him in the recovery position. I'd chuck a bucket of ice cold water over him to sober him up, and I would definitely raise it with the landlord as a serious issue as not only is his behaviour anti-social, but he is creating a security risk.

    I'd also be terrified in his drunken state he'd start a fire in his apartment or something. (Happened to an uncle of mine, causing two fatalities including my uncle). Which may explain why I would react the way I would.

    Moving is probably not an option for you in the current housing crisis, but I'd certainly be looking at that option too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...some may deem ice bucketing as a form of abuse.....



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,445 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    I agree. My advice also is to involve the landlord; for security reasons. Does he smoke OP? Make sure all fire alarms are in working condition. I used to live in one of those Georgian houses converted into flats myself. I also had a similar neighbour who lived in the basement. He was a nightmare.

    We would often chat to him during the day if he was sober. Before long he was knocking on our flat door at all hours looking to have the 'the craic' with us and posting strange notes under the door.

    Your neighbour is more than likely a lovely man and my heart goes out to him. Drink is a terrible affliction. But keep yourself below his radar if you can.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Why not just call.an ambulance and let them deal with it? Being that drunk can easily be fatal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    And assault. Do it to a Garda and you'll realise how serious it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...again, addiction is a default outcome of psychological distress, i.e. mental health issues, throwing water over such as person, effectively could be seen as the equivalent of jamming salt into a deep physical wound, we see physical wounds, but we experience psychological ones, and they are truly extremely painful, possible far more painful than physical ones....



  • Administrators Posts: 14,771 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Wanderer78, I know you mean well, but what do you honestly think the OP making a phone call to AA is going to achieve? She knows nothing about this person. AA is a voluntary organisation where alcoholics go, voluntarily, when they decide they can't live that life anymore. People from AA are volunteers, they themselves dealing with their own issues. I'm not sure they could do anything for the OP. They're not going to come out to the address and speak to the man.

    If I found someone passed out in a public hallway I'd call an ambulance, and possibly the landlord. Roll the man over on his side so he won't choke on his vomit and then wait for the ambulance. There is nothing else really that you can do. And doing anything else is drawing the man on yourself and letting both of you feel that he is somehow your responsibility.

    He will have family and friends. Call an ambulance if you think he's in medical danger and let them contact his next of kin, family on his phone etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...again, or making a 999 call, thats if you can get through!

    ...the person is already in deep need of professional help, just make the 999 call....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That's what I'd be concerned about and what the landlord should be concerned about - fire......



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Poiuy_b


    I'm very worried about fire as well. If he can forget to close the door, he can also forget to switch off the cooker.

    I don't have the landlord's details as I'm dealing with an agency. So not sure about letting them know. They probably already know because he's been renting a very long time and it seems like tenants move on from my flat fairly quickly. But not sure about moving either as I would probably end up in another flat and there's no guarantee of getting nice neighbours/could be more alcoholics or drug addicts.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is a little bit worse than the standard Irish middle-aged man with a fondness for drink. Once their wife leaves them they tend to fall to pieces.

    Your attitude to life sounds a bit immature. You speak as if bad or unfortunate things shouldn’t cross your path unless you “sign up” for them (like a 12-month 3-Ireland phone contract). Don’t be so arrogant just because things are going so well for you at present that you or one of your relatives couldn’t find yourself in a similar situation. Is it too much too ask for you to take 30-minutes out of your day to prevent your neighbour from dying (sorry for inconveniencing you) ? The man’s life is obviously out of control. If everyone decides just to retreat into their own comfort zone society will implode.

    My own experience of being really drunk is that an autopilot mechanism kicks in during blackouts that enables me to get in the front door but switches off once I’m safe and can sleep. If he’s not locking the front door I would tell him when he’s sober (he won’t care) but also inform the landlord.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,771 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Well then contact the agent. Tell them there's a problem with a tenant leaving the building unsecured



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What do you do with a drunken neighbour ?

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    @breezy1985 please read The Forum Charter. Personal Issues is a heavily moderated forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Cut their dole.

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    Warned for Breach of Charter and off topic posting.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm sure suffocating on smoke or burning to death is pretty painful too.

    Assault my arse. This drunk's addiction and psychological distress is not the OP's problem. His behaviour is, and it is putting the safety and security of the OP and other tenants of the building at risk.

    Let him call the gardai if he wants. f he remembers it when he wakes up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    how would this resolve the situation?

    ....maybe by dialing 999, everyone becomes aware of the situation, possible preventing such a disaster!

    ....again, theyre clearly in serious psychological distress, again, would you attempt to fix a persons physical injury such as a serious brake or deep wound, with salt?

    ...shaming and ridiculing those with psychological issues has not worked, it has just exasperated their issues...



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Poiuy_b


    And does a cold bucket of water wake them up? But then it means having to find them in the hallway again but it doesn't always happen. He could be in his flat completely drunk and being a danger and like you said, possibly causing fire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Poiuy_b


    You could be right about calling 999. But would an ambulance deal with a drunk?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    To those advocating throwing ice water on him, have you ever seen how uncontrollable and aggressive someone blind drunk can turn in the blink of an eye? Terrible advice



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you want to be the Good Samaritan who goes around resolving other people's problems for them, that's your choice.

    I wouldn't take any responsibility on myself for resolving this man's problem's - psychological or otherwise.

    And equally you shouldn't be shaming anyone else who doesn't want to get involved in sorting out complete stranger's lives for them.

    OP, at best,ring 999 and then next day report to the Agency - and report it every single time. But take no more on yourself. This man is not your responsiblity to take care of when he gets himself in a state.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Poiuy_b


    I signed up for a place to rent, not having to deal with a drunk. I have no problem helping someone and he already mentioned having heart problems, so I couldn't leave him on the floor. But then it's his own doing and I don't want to deal with him at all. If he was my partner, I wouldn't put up with it either.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,771 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I would hazard a guess that on a Saturday night 80% of ambulance call outs are to drunks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,718 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Just a general principle. If you attempt to help him directly, e.g. turn him on his side or whatever, that would constitute a voluntary assumption of responsibility. Which can leave you liable if something subsequently happens to the man - say if you put him on his side, walk away and he later is found choked on his own vomit. If you just call an ambulance though, then you aren't assuming responsibility.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Poiuy_b


    Are you serious? So helping him into his flat was wrong then? He passed out on the floor, like fell backwards. I've never seen anyone so bad in my life. And I would be liable if anything happens. **** that, 999 it is if I find him on the floor like that again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,718 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    That is from the legal. not moral. perspective.

    Yes, in theory, you could be liable if you voluntarily assumed responsibility and then abandoned the person, and something subsequently happened to them.

    If you did, say, put him on his side, call an ambulance, and wait with him until they arrive then you'd probably be grand. Putting him on his side and walking away could leave you liable, whereas stepping over him while you know he is choking to death, wouldn't!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Poiuy_b


    Noone would bring a legal case against me, would they? His own family doesn't care and know he his a drunk as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Do you stop and help homeless people every time you see them on the street? You do in your fcuk, you walk past them and ignore them.

    This situation is the same really.

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    @waterwelly tone down the language please

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It can be scary dealing with someone who is that drunk.

    They can be really helpless and almost comatose so they are very vulnerable.

    Just do what you feel able to do, if it is just putting them in the recovery position that is an intervention and will help.

    Just on the security issue you could ask the landlord to install a door closer mechanism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Do you dial 999 every time you see a drunk or homeless person?

    Do you honestly think ringing 999 makes it all go away?



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  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Inform the landlord!



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Poiuy_b


    He's been living in the flat for 10 years. The landlord probably already knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,718 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I can't say what would happen. I am saying what could happen. If you put the person on their side, walked away. and they were later found choked to death on their own vomit where you left them, you could theoretically be liable for manslaughter for abandoning them after assuming responsibility for them. That is an extreme example.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Then when you report it to them, ask them have they any other properties available to let to you, as you feel unsafe living in the same building as this man.

    From what you posted it sounds like maybe other tenants have moved on because of him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    That is bollox btw. We have good samaritan laws here. But yes an ambulance should be called



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,718 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You are confusing what the doctor appears to have described as potentially an obligation to stop and help (which, if it exists is likely a professional obligation) with the legal situation of a person after they voluntarily assume responsibility.

    The average person is under no legal obligation to help. There was a case recently (might have been in the UK or US) where a group of teens filmed a homeless man drowning. They could have helped him but instead decided to film it and laugh at him. No legal wrongdoing. Like I explained in the earlier post, the man could be visibly choking and you could step over him and have no liability. But once you assume responsibility for that incapacitated person, you are liable if you then abandon them.


    As regards "being caught" or ability to lie your way out of trouble later, that is a separate matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,718 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Source please?

    I hate to embarrass you, but if you want to jump in and accuse someone of talking bollox, then don't be surprised if it is shown that your own interjection is the bollox.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,771 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    This is not the place for legal discussion. And keep the language civil, as per the Charter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Only issue here for me is leaving the door open that is a secruity matter so tell the landlord the drunk guy is not your problem he has to see sense himself .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Can someone explain the security matter issue?

    I mean, I acknowledge that such a risk exists. If he is lying in the hallway with his door open, some third-party could enter during that period. But why would the neighbouring tenant need to take responsibility for that, or to act in response to it?

    Surely, the drunk tenant, in this case, assumes all responsibility of what happens with his own flat? If something bad happens, like theft or something, then the tenant is responsible. It's his issue. The neighbour is not responsible nor should care.

    Or am I missing something?



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