Obi Wan Kenobi - Disney+ (may contain spoilers)

Tony EH · 03-07-2022 7:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281941#Comment_119281941

It has all the hallmarks of storytelling by committee. It was probably a decent story to begin with, in part anyway. Then every so and so in Disney with some sort of "title" on their name got a hold of it and screwed it up. For instance, it's abundantly clear that Vader originally killed Reva. I cannot, for a single second, believe that that scene was written as it was shot. Someone decided that "well we can't kill off this character" for some dumb reason and she ends up living, even though Vader will choke the life out of someone for dropping out of lightspeed too early.

pixelburp · 03-07-2022 10:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282963#Comment_119282963

The reason she wasn't killed seemed clear to me, based on how this franchise's business model works ...

Spin off!

Jusssssst in case the character has enough viral traction, Disney probably won't let any named character within the main cast die - might get some Content out them after all.

TBH, I think once I finish Obi-Wan methinks we'll cancel the Disney sub. Bar a few outliers like the Hulu stuff, it really is just low effort MCU and Star Wars. Andor looks interesting but again, it's just a spin off and prequel. The channel seems singularly allergic to anything but Big Hits. My appetite for two series I deeply loved throughout my life has been blown out by low effort and repetition - and it actually saddens me.

I know many here get all salty about negativity, but Star Wars has an important, genuine place in my heart and I'm not angry, just disappointed the franchise now treads water so much. It's a universe with so much potential, squandered too often these days. I miss the Expanded Universe days TBH

Tony EH · 03-07-2022 2:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283398#Comment_119283398

It's a spin off that will be thoroughly rejected by a lot of people judging by the over all reaction to the character. She was absolute shite and I'd say Disney are rethinking that particular idea intensely. I'm not sure that there ever was any real plan for a spin off in the first place.

As for her place in the show, she was probably one of the few characters that could have been killed in 'Kenobi', which is why she was written in to begin with. As I said earlier, I cannot see any writer worth his salt writing that scene where Vader and Co. just walk away leaving her alive. There's no way that was on the page originally.

As for Star Wars, I grew up with it, so it occupies a certain cinematic spot for me. But I just don't really care any more. At present there's four good movies and a decent TV show in 'The Mandalorian', which will no doubt get fucked up in time. The rest resides in the meh or absolutely awful bins. I'm just astonished that Disney has managed to make such a dogs dinner of the whole thing since 2015. It's quite amazing really.

I'm still hoping that 'Andor' will be good, but the track record has been very dicey to say the least.

NIMAN · 03-07-2022 4:45pm

Since the arrival of Obi Wan and Boba Fett shows, it appears that The Mandalorian is already getting remembered nostalgically.

For me, people are remembering it a lot better than it actually was. I'd agree it was much better than any of the 2 latest shows, but it had plenty of weak points too.

johnny_ultimate · 03-07-2022 5:20pm

TBH at least there was the hint of a narrative arc to Reva’s character, even if they fumbled the writing. No interest in a spin-off whatsoever, though.

The Mandalorian season two was for me more egregious with its spin-off setups - parachuting in characters for an episode or two just so corporate could announce a spin-off a few weeks later. Mandalorian was a better show overall, of course, although season two is often deeply mediocre and frustrating - and it being a vessel for ‘franchise extension’ was a major reason for that.

Tony EH · 03-07-2022 5:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285090#Comment_119285090

I think people are just looking at how low the bar is and if anything is even mildly entertaining it gets a thumbs up. 'The Mandalorian' was grand. It was entertaining and had a decent hook. But it certainly was never top tier.

pixelburp · 03-07-2022 7:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285348#Comment_119285348

Certainly, but what it had going for it was top tier set pieces when they worked. You could tell there was an intent to go "right, what would be a good action sequence for this scenario?" and had some decent ones, with good direction. Season 2s increasing dependence on cameos of famous Star Wars characters got tedious - and I'll maintain the finale was as bad as anything from Boba Fett.

It was nuts and bolts storytelling though, with a simple premise and structure. No coincidentally, it was also a show without any previous tether to the films (bar season 2). It never felt as slapdash as the other, subsequent shows.

c.p.w.g.w · 03-07-2022 7:14pm

I'm seeing Kenobi season 1 mentioned on a few different places online...is there gonna be a season 2?

seraphimvc · 04-07-2022 11:58am

Still haven't watched the last episode but ya Reva didn't die is truly beyond my lowest expectation to the whole disney SW - how naive i was aha. (i was right that she actually went on to catch Luke - in the most ridiculous way that i heard...)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284198#Comment_119284198

I heard that Kennedy actually handpicked the final script (refused a couple of scripts before that), I am not in the slightest surprise. The themes and shite we have seen since the sequel trilogy are just so all very familiar.

To me, same, SW used to mean something to me (original trilogy was my childhood, prequel trilogy honestly wasn't great but i enjoyed them when i was young, Jedi is still one of the coolest creation ever) - it deeply saddens me they didn't even give a damn to their 2 most iconic characters (Vader and Obiwan), what more hope i can give to this whole Disney SW thing aha. They just want CONTENTS, they are literally treating the franchise like some locked up milk cow being squeezed by machines.

Dave filoni stuffs is the last hope (the best new SW stuff that i enjoyed since a long time ago actually was Bad Batch ha). Andor...maybe but i have really low hope now as from the trailer everything just looks too familiar to the production of boba/obiwan.

seraphimvc · 04-07-2022 12:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285827#Comment_119285827

Yes we heard the confirmation around episode 4/5 time iirc as it is the most watched series on D+. So yes the horror will go on - i cant wait to see the rating on season2 actually. Supposedly they are planned for 3 seasons...

silverharp · 06-07-2022 10:00am

Ive not watched it but it sounds like a horrible show, bad effects, plot and characters.

silverharp · 08-07-2022 7:26am

This might make it redeemable

https://twitter.com/frankpallotta/status/1545197266796961792

pixelburp · 10-07-2022 7:11pm

Last episode chalked off, more out of a sense of obligation or sense of completion than eagerness (unlike, to compare with another franchise, Strange New Worlds). What new things did we learn about Obi-Wan? The PTSD angle was interesting but thinly explored - everything else felt like filler towards no goal.

The final fight worked for the precise moment Vader's mask was opened; the rest was noise though, using a lot of digital camera shake for no good reason. As said before the action direction has been generally quite dire.

I'm done with Star Wars reading over old stories and characters, especially when the execution was this flaccid and inert. Andor looks vaguely interesting but again, it's a prequel - but at least it won't be the fuppin' Skywalkers.

corkie · 20-07-2022 6:53pm

https://screenrant.com/anakin-skywalker-questioned-jedi-use-of-lightsabers-vader-star-wars-25/

https://aiptcomics.com/2022/07/20/star-wars-25-review-2/

The training has them fighting with their lightsabers, which prompts Anakin to ask why Jedi use lightsabers. For that matter, why don’t they use lightsaber technology to make other weapons? Obi-Wan has a good answer, one that is likely similar to those who fight with swords in medieval times.

Why do Jedi even use lightsabers?

Jedi credit the use of lightsabers as a means of concentrating on their focus and discipline. As explained by Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope, "the lightsaber was the formal weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. More skill than simple sight was required for its use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFB16GCocfw

Obi Wan Kenobi - Disney+ (may contain spoilers)

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