Russia - threadbanned users in OP

So how are we all coping with the fall of Lisichansk and the entire Lugansk People's Republic?

I must admit, I was surprised at how easy Lisichansk was taken - I'm now expecting similar to occur in the cities of the Donetsk People's Republic in the coming weeks.

Stalingrad 1943

Depressing, but not surprising. Expect one of the slava Ukraine group here to say it's all part of the Ukraine strategy for imminent victory. More realistic, sadly, is the opinion of the ex-British army hief who's said that now that Russia has a large chunk of the east under its control the stage could be set for negotiations for a settlement, which presumably means: Ukraine gives up the east of the country for security guarantees for the rest of the country. A horrible compromise but probably as good as is realistic right now.

Helped defeat Nazism of course which is hugely to their credit, but by summer 1945 it was still evident to anyone that it was a horrible oppressive dictatorship. East Germany and subsequently the Berlin Wall should never happened and their occupation or 'control' over Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, the Baltics etc for four decades were mostly completely illegal.

I would assume weaponry would need to be replaced anyway on a periodic basis and disposal of old weaponry is very expensive. Depleting stocks by handing it over to Ukraine may not be economically bad, depending on how long they plan to replace these stocks.

Well, it is up to you to be adult enough to ignore that kind of stupidity. It comes across as childish score settling otherwise but if that's your thing have at it.

If they take Eastern Ukraine, they'll probably end up with another Afghanistan.

A tactic that Stalin used was to have machine gunners behind his own army in order to gun down anyone who tried to retreat. He also regularly had many generals executed. So I think a lot of the army knew if they didn’t follow order they would be shot.

If the nazis did defeat the russians would it have been much worse then life in Ukraine at the time where cannibalism was happening as a result of result of Stalin. In fact the Ukrainians welcomed the nazis when the invaded. Stalin would not forget this.

There were some Russian war hero’s but how many ? They have such a brutal history/culture. How many of these war hero’s engaged in war crimes ?

Much much worse, they have gone from having cutting edge tech at the end of WWII ie their tanks, to being three generations behind the US on jet fighters. The Brain drain recently will do nothing to improve this and I don’t see that reversing.

If the sanctions stay while Russia occupies Ukraine they will begin to rot behind the new Iron Curtain. Also, Ukraine can start a serious offensive from Kherson if they get the weapons they need. If there is a full on war in the south, UA might win back the south, at least.

Well, in that case it's not just a case of the EU ordering the Lithuanians what to do, but the Germans apparently "ordering" the EU to tell the Lithuanians what to do. That's just one interpretation of what's happening.

As for you assertion that Europe would be more secure without "this federalist project" hamstringing European nations, the only way small nations can stand up to Russia is through collective action, whether by means of NATO or the EU.