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Sophie: A Murder in West Cork - Netflix.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Why you signing off on your username , not like it's gonna be someone else posting ?


    Jules Thomas I get , she was under duress , I mean all his drunken rants he must have said stuff

    Bailey was very careful at one point in one of the movies and shut up shop, can't remember where now

    The Italian guy did they not already get a statement off him ,?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭chooseusername


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,276 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I think you are right. They mention its a lady that lives abroad so that rules out Jules. Im not sure how reliable a witness the Italian student is though given that she didnt mention anything out of the ordinary to the Gardai at the time of the murder. She would have had nothing to gain by withholding information at the time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭flanna01



    If it's a new statement from a new witness, why are they only revealing it now?

    Surely 26yrs ago would have been the time to come forward?

    Any defence lawyer worth his salt would have a field day with such a witness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,276 ✭✭✭Deeec


    He was very abusive to Jules. He was a horrible partner to her and her daughters hated him. If he did commit the murder she could have got him out of her life for good years ago by speaking up. For this reason I dont think she has any other information - she believes he didnt do it and stood by him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Thats not certain

    He could be bailed or whatever depending on the info provided



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭Muppet Man


    Lots and lots of women stand by their men in abusive relationships and defend them to the hilt. Even lie for them. In fact that would be the status quo for the majority of abusive relationships I would think. Now that she is finally free of him, maybe she has a story to tell. But alas, whatever story she does tell wouldn’t be without bias. Interesting times ahead either way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭US3


    You're literally accusing the husband with no evidence at all ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Anyone get the sindo?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,276 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Not only was Jules the victim of domestic abuse at the hands of Bailey but her life has been totally ruined by the aftermath of this murder. If he done it all she had to do was speak up and she could have went back to a leading a normal life. There were more reasons for her to speak out than to keep quiet.

    In the documentary last year it was clear she was only still with Bailey because she felt sorry for him - she didnt have any love for him at all. Whether she is right or wrong I feel she truly believes he is innocent.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭flanna01



    With regards to Jules Thomas being touted as one of the possible new witnesses...

    Anything new that Jules has to offer, has got to implicate her too..

    There would be no amnesty given to her, as she would become an accessory to murder by default.

    Also, if that was the case, does that also not extend to her daughters too?

    Jules Thomas had the perfect 'out' of a bad relationship if she had something on Bailey - She doesn't, and never had.

    People forget, Jules Thomas was put through the grinder during her interviews with the Guards, they literally threw the kitchen sink at her hoping that she would crack... At one point they even told her that Bailey had confessed to everything, and now was the time to come clean with what she knew... And she still stuck to the same story, never waivered, never changed her timeline .

    I think it's a safe bet, that whoever the new witnesses are, Jules Thomas is not on that list.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I doubt jules is one of the witnesses if she did cover for him she implicated herself as well so can't change now or she goes down too. perhaps she did cover for him.

    Still, i can't see a murderer disposing of bloody clothing in a house where a guest would see it. Surely you would put it in a part of the house the guest would not have access to. soak the coat in the bedroom. The guest would be in the shower room

    People forget, Jules Thomas was put through the grinder during her interviews with the Guards, they literally threw the kitchen sink at her hoping that she would crack... At one point they even told her that Bailey had confessed to everything, and now was the time to come clean with what she knew... And she still stuck to the same story, never waivered, never changed her timeline .

    she did change her story about his not getting up



  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭flanna01



    Jules didn't know he had got up during the night (as in, shortly after going to bed)

    They were just back from the pub, no doubt half boiled after celebrating the run up to Christmas. Jules took medication for period pain which combined with the booze knocked her out almost immediately, she wouldn't have been aware of Bailey not being in bed until the following morning.

    He brought her up a cup of coffee in the morning, so logically, would she not just assume that he had risen early?

    Bailey used to work in the studio which was an independent building away from the house he shared with Jules. Surely to God, even the village idiot would change out of his blood stained clothes there, and not in a fully occupied Family home?

    Sometimes, commonsense doesn't prevail ..... To think that a person who had just brutally slain a young Mother, would return to the Family home, disrobe his bloody clothes and soak them in a tub in the bathroom.... Take a shower, and pop up to the bedroom with a cuppa for the Mrs.... Knowing full well that this was going to be a major incident reported nationally & internationally...

    Oh yeah.... And then without tripping over the tub with the blood soaked garments in (for all the world to see), he gets his Mrs to run him over to the crime scene to take some snaps....

    Bit of a stretch isn't it...?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭Muppet Man


    Respectfully disagree... There are no safe bets here.

    when she was being interviewed by the guards she was going to stand by her man.

    hell hath no fury like a woman scorned... 😉


    All she need to.do is say, no, he didn't kill turkeys to get a scar on his forhead, or no he didn't cut himself cutting down a xmas tree, or no she doesn't remember him coming to bed. Any simple change of mind (genuine and honest or malicious lie) throws it wide open again.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    are you saying jules did not change her story?



  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭flanna01




  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭flanna01


    Yes, her story did change (direct answer)

    Look at the bigger picture. Look at her situation that night. How many people are aware of their partner visiting the bathroom during the night??

    Once you combine alcohol and medication together, you're not likely to remember too much afterwards.

    Jules Thomas had an horrendous time with Ian Bailey, the photo's of her beatings are sickening.. She must have nurtured a deep feeling of resentment against him, but still would not free herself of him when given the golden opportunity...

    She didn't, because she had nothing on him.

    Sophie never went anywhere without her diary, she updated it religiously every day. - Her diary was never found at her holiday home? Her purse with a considerable amount of money in it, was found to be untouched?

    Before coming to Ireland, she had been assaulted by an ex boy friend? She was known to bring lovers to her holiday home..

    Before coming to Ireland, she was practically begging people to come with her.. She was bothered about something.

    People should really look at her home life in France before looking for a culprit in Ireland.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Her story didn't change. She changed her story. which is what i said. The bigger picture is irrevleant as is France and her purse. Jules changed her story.So she lied when she said he did not get up and it's wrong to say she still stuck to the same story, never waivered, never changed her timeline .



  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Evergreen_7


    Looks like it’s not just lip service. Come on though lads would ye not buy your own Mvac machine instead of borrowing one from the Dutch 🤨

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sophie-toscan-du-plantier-no-stone-will-be-left-unturned-in-finally-tracking-down-killer-says-taoiseach-41812603.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭flanna01



    The Mvac machine looks like the best chance of catching the killer (if still alive).

    You would have to ask the question... How many different people have handled the block since it's recovery?

    Maybe the murderer worn gloves?

    It's a long shot too be honest. Be great to put it to bed, and get justice for Sophie and her family.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Evergreen_7


    Stored in a back room In bandon most likely. Could be interesting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Finding a DNA sample will be one thing, but matching it to somebody who is sill alive, is most likely going to be the next challenge. All or most of the suspects are actually dead by now.

    One of the only things they could do, is either clear Bailey, or finally convict him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    You'd wonder about Michael Martin wading in on this

    His stich is just parroting whatever the public wants to hear, is it any of his business to be commenting on it



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Licking up to the French, what else? If it was a poor person with no govt contacts they would be forgotten



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,148 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Jules knows more than she's letting on but is never going to talk and risk incriminating herself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Ah not really true

    Solicitor will negotiate deal not her and gardai would jump at the chance to nail Bailey

    They're not interested in her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Possible it could belinked with a dead personor linking the DNA with a 'family' from a database



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    A fair chance that they did wear gloves at that time of year, although Irishmen usually don't. Also their skinor blood might be there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Jaysus he's some narcissist

    Would make me suspect him more the way he goes on putting up 2 fingers



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  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭flanna01


    For the sake of it... Let's just assume that Ian Bailey is totally innocent of this horrendous murder..

    That being the case, for nearly the last three decades, he has been vilified nationally by the general public. He has had his life threatened on a weekly basis. He is publicly scorned, confronted and abused..... (For nearly thirty years now...)

    He states he is innocent, the murder investigation found no grounds to charge him (and the Lord knows they tried..), and not one iota of evidence was ever found to link him to the bloody gruesome crime scene.

    So, if he is totally innocent, and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.. Then his life has been totally destroyed beyond recognition by the stigma the whole case has had on him.

    If I was an innocent man, and endured just one week of the treatment Bailey has, I too, would be inclined to stick the two fingers up at every opportunity I got..

    Don't judge Bailey as a guilty man - He has been convicted of nothing with regards to the SDP murder. Judge him as the innocent man that he is, put yourself in his shoes, and see how you feel being treated the way that he has been treated.

    We have a legal system in this country that entitles everybody to the presumption of innocence, until proved otherwise in a court of law.



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