TV Coverage

Brendan Bendar · 28-06-2022 6:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119259707#Comment_119259707

Indeed, the lad is well versed on football tactics. The unfortunate thing is his delivery is so monotonous.

He in not a good fit for co- commentary, perhaps he would be more suited to print media or at a push the ‘panel’.

Pussyhands · 03-07-2022 3:27pm

Joanne Cantwell is so wooden and lacking charisma. Everything is calculated and down to a tee.

Ursula Jacob would drive you up the wall too. She doesn't even play hurling!

Marry on comms today... "uh, that's magical" type stuff from him today..

Shane Dowling looks like he's making his confirmation.

Pussyhands · 03-07-2022 3:34pm

Marty off the cringe scale inside one minute when Galway score.. "Galway mean business, Henry sheflin means business"

🤮

gigantic09 · 03-07-2022 4:22pm

That ad where yer wan says 'sliotar eclipse' is pure quality.

rolling boh · 03-07-2022 4:54pm

No danger of Marty falling out with anyone lavishes praise on everyone to be on the safe side .

WesternZulu · 03-07-2022 5:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284953#Comment_119284953

I hope that's sarcasm!

Brendan Bendar · 03-07-2022 6:59pm

At least we didn’t have to listen to Fitzmaurice……

Agree about Jacob, talks thru her nose, hard on the ears,in fairness.

gigantic09 · 03-07-2022 7:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285429#Comment_119285429

Indeed it is. The ad is f@#£_& cat in fairness.

obi604 · 03-07-2022 10:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284953#Comment_119284953

It’s absolute muck IMHO. can’t stand it.

edit: oops , missed the sarcasm. But some people probably think it’s gas 🙄

dastardly00 · 03-07-2022 11:17pm

I think there was some good analysis and discussion there on KK-Clare match from Davy and Donal Óg, but it's a pity that they don't allow more time for it. I always feel like Des has the director in his ear telling him that they have to go to an ad break or to move on to the next segment.

theoneeyedman · 04-07-2022 10:40am

That's a big problem with the TV coverage across all these sports.

The pundits are there just to fill time between the ads, and to Stoke up a bit of fury on social media. There is no time for any nuance and indeed many watching won't appreciate it anyway, they only want to hear about getting stuck in and intensity and stiff like that.

Podcasts are the only medium that can dedicate enough time for in depth stuff.

WesternZulu · 04-07-2022 6:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119285808#Comment_119285808

Good, that Bord Gais ad is like something a marketing agency in D4 conjured up to represent a typical GAA fan.

It's painful!

dobman88 · 04-07-2022 6:32pm

Jesus Joanne Cantwell is really painful. Saying with absolute certainty that Kilkenny and Limerick haven't contested an all Ireland since 1973 when they've done it as recently as 2007. If someone else got a fact like that wrong she would be the first to jump down their throat about it. There surely has to be a better anchor than her. And Des on the Sunday game is past his sell by date too. Would love to see Jacqui Hurley given a crack at either of them tbh

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_All-Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Championship_Final#:~:text=The%202007%20All%2DIreland%20Senior,%E2%80%9319%20to%201%E2%80%9315.

Brendan Bendar · 04-07-2022 7:15pm

I’d be much more interested in getting bell whiffs like Fitzmaurice and perhaps Cusack and maybe Jacob off the air.

dobman88 · 04-07-2022 9:06pm

Ursula Jacob dropping the feminist defence when the reality is she's just quite a poor pundit.

https://twitter.com/ursulajacob/status/1544042305090469890?t=hXDsePg8DDyJBhXUTu6epw&s=19

Sunny Disposition · 04-07-2022 9:14pm

I actually think she’s a good pundit, makes a lot of fair points and doesn’t have the need for attention some pundits do.

All that said, if you go on TV you have to accept criticism, some of it unfair and personal. It’s just the way it is, there’s no point in complaining about it.

theoneeyedman · 04-07-2022 9:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119290798#Comment_119290798

What is she complaining about, people on Twatter complaining about her?

Really can't understand this TBH, why is she using the platform if she isn't happy with others voicing their poisonous shite on it.

Twitter is poison, really can't understand why so many high profile people still use it.

Pussyhands · 04-07-2022 9:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119290764#Comment_119290764

Enough is enough is right, they need to get rid of her. And she thinks it's her accent and not her glass shattering voice? Jaysus her voice would go through ya.

I'm sorry ursula, but it is tokenism. Just like Cora Staunton shouldn't be there either, she's another horrible pundit. And yes there's men who shouldn't be there either but they don't go whinging in twitter when they get stick! There's a good lady pundit from Dublin who doesn't get stick because she's actually good at what she does!

theoneeyedman · 04-07-2022 10:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119290965#Comment_119290965

I wouldn't compare her to Staunton at all.

AFAIK, Jacob didn't use her profile to undermine and falsely blacken the character of an intercounty coach following a personality clash.

Staunton has no place having a highly paid profile on the national broadcaster given her record imho.

Accents and tone of voice don't annoy me personally, even though some in here seem triggered by them - the content of the person's contribution is of more interest to me anyway.

04-07-2022 10:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119290179#Comment_119290179

Tough, it's RTE so you're facing 20 years of Joanne Cantwell, I agree Jacqui Hurley would be worth a try, but not going to happen! I just turn the sound off now at half time and change channel straight after the game.

Count Dracula · 04-07-2022 10:19pm

I feel sorry for the female pundits, at the end of the day it is pure tokenism. It is trending across all sports coverage over the last few years. I would much prefer to hear the opinion of an intercounty hurler or footballer who has cut their teeth in big championship matches at the end of a season that matters. Throwing a random female presenter in there to appease people, who actually have less interest in the game, is not benefitting anyone.

I am not being sexist either, I would feel the same about Setanta Ó'Hailpin talking garbage over a Camogie final.

At the end of the day the TV audience deserve better than sitting through analysis or punditry from a presenter who is only there to suit an agenda. I don't like it and I hope I am not coming across as being sexist either.

As I mentioned earlier it is a wider issue than just the GAA, it is happening now across all sports and I don't feel it is benefitting genuine fans.

I had to google who Ursula Jacob is. It is not her fault either, I am sure she is giving it her best.

Pussyhands · 04-07-2022 11:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119291074#Comment_119291074

Yeah the trend everywhere now is to tick the box.

Skysports ruined soccer Saturday when they got rid of all the lads everyone loved in favour of diversity.

The whole "can't see it can't be it" is the biggest sham going. Its a scam for benefits and platforms for people who don't deserve it on the promise of a future return.

Who did Katie Taylor or Leona Maguire see on TV when they were growing up? Can girls not be inspired by men?

Sunny Disposition · 04-07-2022 11:36pm

Tbh I think RTE need to prepare people for this. If you go on the Sunday Game people are going to criticise you. A lot.

In the last few weeks Dowling and Jacobs seem to be taken aback that they’re getting abuse. It really should have been made clear to them that such abuse is guaranteed to happen.

cute geoge · 10-07-2022 10:02pm

imo both Ger canning and Kevin Mcstay's commentry was a disgrace today ,they were both showing bias towards Dublin they then trew a fit that Sean O shea should have been red carded ,what a shower of fools !!!!

TheRiverman · 10-07-2022 10:11pm

The Sunday Game only going to start now, because of Women's Euro 2022. How many have interest in that or know any of the players ? Surely a waste of TV time.

Pussyhands · 10-07-2022 11:50pm

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It was highly disrespectful from Canning to say during the parade "it's the All Ireland Final in all but name". Probably the most disgraceful thing I've ever heard a main commentator say on air.

I says · 11-07-2022 12:07am

Spillane made yesterday all about himself announcing his retirement before any other business. Considering a Tailteann final and a semi final were the real entertainment. Cantwell tries to be the smartest in the room she’d strip paint at 50 yards. Her contempt for the tailteann cup was as obvious as the nose on her face. As for jacobs and dowling on the respective panels who gives a fig. I want unbiased panelist’s something that’s in very short supply.

Bleating Lamb · 11-07-2022 12:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319708#Comment_119319708

Yeah I picked up on it straight away,couldn't believe it was said by someone going out on the National Broadcaster......you could see it said by some lad at local radio level.

RTE is such a den of politics once you get on the panel there you are safe for years ad nauseum. Joanne Cantwell obviously has some serious dirt on someone high up in RTE as the mind boggles as to why she took over the Michael Lyster role otherwise (and thats leaving aside the whole gender imbalance thing)....Jacqui Hurley is streets ahead of her.

Personally I think Dara Ó Cinneide would be excellent in the main presenter role.

Billy Ocean · 11-07-2022 1:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319307#Comment_119319307

They were brutal, Canning set the tone calling it the final in all but name during the parade, McStay calling for a red for that incident was laughable.

WJL · 11-07-2022 1:52am

The Joanne hate is amusing. Michael Lyster was a dry enough anchor. Nothing special about him. The way people eulogise about him is like the way the older generation speak about Micheal O'Hehir. Who hadn't a clue when you listen back to old games. It could be a 30 metre free in football in the middle of a game and he'd say 'I wonder will he be content with a point!

My thought on Staunton, Jacob, Noelle Healy and Joanne🙂

'Come mothers and fathers

Throughout the land

And don't criticize

What you can't understand

Your sons and your daughters

Are beyond your command

Your old road is rapidly agin'

Please get out of the new one

If you can't lend your hand

For the times they are a-changin'

Count Dracula · 11-07-2022 7:35am

I actually have less of an issue with a female anchor to be fair. Most anchors are basically presenters whose job it is to coordinate the waffle and other relative analysis. Joanne Cantwell has lots of experience. She mightn't know the difference between Rule 42 and Hayes hotel, but she knows the colour of the cue card, you kind of need that on a busy afternoon.

Where was Brolly? He is gas chunt altogether, we need characters on our television sets?

I often enjoy the women's doubles in the second week of wimbledon, usually over a few early evening cans. And yes your quite right, that is exactly what I am doing. Something about white cotton miniskirts and twentysomething women hugging each other after each point gets me tingling. I reckon that is the real reason Boris Becker got into commentating. His German wit and mid point insight was sadly missed this year, he is a phucking legend.

Brendan Bendar · 11-07-2022 7:58am

Thank JYsus Fitzmaurice was ‘paneled’ on yesterdays game, couldnt have listened to that drone for 70+ minutes.

theoneeyedman · 11-07-2022 10:03am

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McStay made a constant thing second guessing every call from the referee. If it was yellow, it should have been red, if a free should have been black etc..

Seemed to have an axe to grind, him living in Roscommon and the referee from out the road, wouldn't be surprised if there is a history there

amlinopta · 11-07-2022 10:30am

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Every game of the tournament live on RTE. Beyond belief.

Pussyhands · 11-07-2022 10:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119320504#Comment_119320504

Cheap tv rights and RTE can take the moral high ground for giving womens sports coverage.

Pussyhands · 11-07-2022 10:50am

People can never accept that some think certain female pundits/hosts are shite at their job.

Any time you criticise a woman on here you're told you only say that because they're a woman.

Cantwell is wooden and lacks charisma. She can follow the autocue but she's like a primary school teacher giving lessons to her class.

There's loads of women hosting/doing punditry on sports that are excellent at it, the likes of Kelly Cates on Sky for the football, Hazel Irvine for the snooker, Sue Barker for the tennis, Clare Balding for athletics/olympics/anything. Even Grainne McElwain on the Sky coverage of the GAA is quite good.

11-07-2022 11:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119320086#Comment_119320086

He knows his stuff. Very insightful on Galway v Derry.

He'd pin point the second Derry would try break the press. He read the ref like a book on frees he'd give. Gentleman too.

keeponhurling · 11-07-2022 11:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319708#Comment_119319708

Didn't he also at some point compare it to the first semifinal, and say he was asleep after 20 mins.

It is all a bit disrespectful. No need for cheap digs, just commentate on the game in front of you.

theoneeyedman · 11-07-2022 1:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319351#Comment_119319351

Very few have interest, bug it's cheap and is probably a part of the bigger rights package for the soccer, similar to the rugby six nations. . If it encourages girls to take up and play whatever sport, then so what, let them off

Don't let it annoy you I'd say, don't turn it in if it doesn't appeal to you.

Re female pundits, there are good ones and bad ones, same as the lads really. The likes of Lisa Fallon is excellent, she would cancel out the likes of Staunton who is a pain in the teeth. The real saviour is the remote control lads.

Treble double · 13-07-2022 3:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119320748#Comment_119320748

He is some clown, he is commentating on GAA games for over 30 years and still has no feel for them. Those comments re one semi final being the final and falling asleep through the other one are totally un professional.

There is set narratives in the Gaa that are stuck too no matter what the evidence is before your eyes.

After watching Kerry Dublin I felt it was entertaining but littered with poor decision making and bad wides. The gushing in the media after in relation to the game made me doubt myself so I re watched it and confirmed that it was indeed exciting but littered with poor decisions and bad wides.

Sunny Disposition · 13-07-2022 3:26pm

Not to be personal about it, but I do think RTE coverage of GAA has declined alarmingly in recent years, and almost everyone who follows hurling seems to be complaining.

I'd like to see them try to change it at least, show the pundits and presenters what's going wrong and help them to improve. There are some good pundits there, it's got to be possible to explain to the underperforming ones how they can improve.

And something really obvious, make sure the analysis of all games is done by people from neutral counties! That is really basic, it improves the chances of getting objective analysis dramatically.

theoneeyedman · 13-07-2022 4:38pm

I wouldn't fully agree with that to bethe honest , the neutrality of the pundits. It can be entertaining if a little brutal to see someone Analyse their own county, especially if they are losing. A bit of a blood sport, especially if they turn on the coach and vent a grudge like Eamonn O'Hara did in Kevin Walsh some years ago. It was a low act, said more about O'Hara and his values than it did about Walsh, and it should have meant the end of O'Hara as a pundit, but it made for cringe worthy tv gold, albeit at the expense of Kevin Walsh.

The lack of any imagination though in the coverage is annoying, the games (like soccer) has moved on almost beyond recognition in the last 10 years and we still have dinosaurs who finished playing 30 or 40 years ago talking about intensity and getting stuck in like ould lads at the bar in your local. A waste of time.

There is even a huge lack of ingenuity in the coverage, camera angles etc. TG4 has attempted to move on a little with the picture in picture but could do mir of it, we constantly have replays of scores or of lads in the crowd yahooing for a score being shown while the ball is being kicked out.

Billy Ocean · 13-07-2022 9:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119332027#Comment_119332027

I think there coverage of sport has declined since Ryle Nugent left as head of sport.

threeball · 13-07-2022 11:07pm

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The new lad just seems like a woke twat. Avoid controversy at every turn, get the gender balance right and go for panelists who can wear the gaudiest shirts or a suit with runners ahead of someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

Pussyhands · 13-07-2022 11:41pm

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As I said before I was looking at replays of the final from 8 or 9 years ago and the kick outs are so quick now they don't show many replays.

Go watch a match from back then and you'll see them show a replay or focus on the player who kicked it for aaaages. The game has changed so much in the last few years. 8 years ago you didn't have this desperation to get free for a kick out. All players mostly stood still and keepers either went long out wide to players making the odd run, low pass around the middle to a player free or just a long boot down the middle.

Sunny Disposition · 14-07-2022 10:56am

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I think that’s one of the problems though, analysts from a county are likely to have an agenda. O’Hara had a negative agenda, others have overly positive ones.

Davy Fitz was analysing several Clare games this year, even though he hasn’t talked to the Clare manager for years, that made no sense. Shane Dowling analysing Limerick games but was out socialising with the players after the Munster final.

The chances of getting objective analysis are way higher with neutrals.