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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,650 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Very strange behaviour posting on a platform that is not relevant. Varadkar is not the only one so can someone explain why they do this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Who said Twitter is “none relevant platform”?

    Using social media to update people is standard for all public representatives

    Trying to say the reactions from a load of bots accounts is a reflection of the public is not true



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Not at all sure what it is with this obsession with all things Bots when it's abundantly clear the majority who responded to Leo's latest pronouncement are infact verified accounts, Real people aghast at the parallel universe , Leo clearly inhabits.

    It's curious this mention of Public Representatives using Social media to update, they do indeed and the vast majority of it Tripe. Hard enough to believe anything certain politicians say let alone their Tweets.

    I called out an obscure Senator of a particular political persuasion recently who "updated" the few followers she has about being Gobsmacked at a 2k a head Dinner MLM would be attending, the silly Senator clearly clueless hadn't done her research, MLM is a guest speaker at an event NOT raising money for SF but an entirely different cause involving an Australian chamber of commerce.

    The silly Senator was roundly ridiculed and not by Bots but ordinary people with verified accounts, embarrassed for her and sick of a policy that is clearly not working and has become quite tiresome of late.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    If he used tiktok or something the same poster would be complaining how hes to old to be using it etc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How many bot accounts did you count on that tweet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc



    According to Michael Ring's 2020 GE report, 4 out of 5 FG seats are in danger. The turf issue is going to hit them hard in rural areas where turf is still used. With the economic hardships and rising energy prices, turf might see an upsurge in usage and Ryan and the rest of the FFG politicians will have problems when they come looking for votes at the next GE. Seats are shakey enough as it is for FFG but Ryan is on an ideological crusade and the other government TDs realise the negative vote impact of Ryan's turf ban. They may try to suspend the implementation of any ban due to the war in Ukraine or until after the next GE.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A great topic for the headline writers if the government falls on this issue. :) "Turfed out".

    FF/FG needs the Greens though. Not sure that the Greens would walk on this issue.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,668 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Read the replies to his tweet? It is fairly clear that nobody is buying his list and that it obscures what many are experiencing. These lists do not reveal anything about the quality of the jobs, how many have emigrated in despair, or what they face when they get paid for the work that they do.

    You may not agree but to ask what 'the context is when it is clear and spelt out in the replies is a bit odd.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,328 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    From what I can see locally, there is more turf cut this year than for several years. I am not sure if it's stockpiling or a 2 fingers to the government but it was a silly battle to pick.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Actually turf cut very late this year because of bad weather in the Midlands, there's been a scramble over the past week in my area. I was lucky got a load cheaply a month ago. I don't think people living rural taking a blind bit of notice of Eamonn Ryan's nonsense but he did manage to increase prices for those with no turbary rights , Gouging commenced even before cutting started after his comments.

    What's also telling is lots still burning in June and July as its been unseasonably cold so far .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The sheer idiocy of that 500 people community thing is amazing until you remember that it is dozy Eamon Ryan proposing it. The Greens will lose TDs based on their current polling but the impact of this will be far greater on FF/FG. The FF/FG TDs realise this and will try to do everything that they can to sabotage Ryan's plans. I think that all the ministers have qualified for their pensions now so the FFG government may be somewhat less stable than it was when this legislation was proposed.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Indeed and even more extraordinary when you see the Greens have a Senator and Junior Minister right bang in the middle of Turf Country who might a whispered in Eamonns Ear and indeed another TD and Junior Minister Malcolm Noonan who seems like a decent chap but surely must have some sense of feelings on this sensitive matter in rural Ireland.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,668 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Is the list accurate? As much as a bunch of tweets might indicate otherwise based on anecdotal evidence (and I fully put my hands up that there might be some context I'm missing here). There is pretty much jobs for everyone that wants one right now (in a lot of countries), no matter the persons skillset.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    No research needed and infact those who offered criticism of Leo's tweet simply pointed out its all well and good throwing up stats without context , particularly given its highly likely youth unemployment has reduced by way of apprenticeships, poorly paid low skill jobs etc. They also enquired about their long term prospects, being able to rent or god for I'd purchase a home.

    It's like saying isnt it marvellous our Hospitality sector did employ so many people , the reality was it did , 70% on low pay and dreadful working conditions and guess what, they've had enough and that's the primary reason Hospitality sector is struggling to get an retain experienced staff.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc



    They probably realise that they have little chance of being reelected. Ryan is a true believer. He's probably going to press ahead with this even if it causes massive problems for FF/FG TDs. The Greens can be quite ruthless when it comes to getting their policies enacted and FF/FG still haven't learned this basic lesson. With Ryan, "saving the planet" matters more than saving FF/FG seats. If it had been Labour in government with FF/FG, they'd have rolled over in seconds but not the Greens.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    "saving the planet" matters more 

    It matters more than anything else, regardless of who is in power, even the alleged great Left tsunami coming our way and the Greens are the only ones with the credibility to talk about it. We are very, very slowly moving that way anyhow. One reason I don't expect them to be too harshly punished in the next election is that they continue to stick to their guns on this; that's to be respected even if people don't like what it means.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I does matter of course and no one doubts that, the issue primarily centres around a blanket decision to ban a heat source 1,000"s depend on and with no immediate alternative, he actually did back track and sounded even more foolish, saying those with Tarbury rights would not be impacted when he must have known the vast majority using turf don't have Turbary rights, then the Farce of Villages with 500 people.

    People can jump up and down about insulation, Retrofitting schemes, despite grants it still cost homeowners money and even more for older properties. The retrofitting scheme has already a two year waiting list based on reports and that's if folks can afford the initial outlay.

    The most farcical element of Ryan's idea was saying folks could use other fuel sources, the obvious being Oil, not only were prices double what they were in 2020, some would require installation of a heating system but also Oil burning is hardly conducive to achieving a greener planet, is it.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,668 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Thanks, so it was just a pile on Leo for a tweet.

    From the reaction from the locals it looked like it was lying or inaccurate somehow, but that doesn't seem to have been the case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The stat is not wrong Astro. Presenting it as a reflection that something great has been achieved without mentioning the downsides is the problem and wrong. That's what most answering that tweet are pointing out. But you knew this and I'd respect you more if you'd just claimed a 'pile-on' on 'poor Leo' from the start without the pretence that you were in any way looking for 'truth'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I don't recall anyone lying or being inaccurate here, if you actually looked at the responses they correctly sought context and yes correctly posed appropriate questions and no, the vast majority were not mysterious Bots or lefty loonies.

    Some were critical, that's their entitlement.

    What exactly is your problem with this, do you seriously believe Politicians can just post on Twitter free from questioning or clarification of context to what they Tweet.

    How about you raise your concerns directly with those who actually tweeted right back at Leo, rather than this fawning nonsense and pretence of trying to understand people's responses to a Tweet . Better still why not offer support of Leo on Twitter, heaven knows he needs it.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    It really doesn't seem like that if you read the replies. Many are pointing out that they still can't afford rent or a mortgage. - They are the stats for May (it says it on top of the the tweet).

    Leo literally retweeted a may-as-well-be-random tweet, as he did so without any relevant information or context. Something that is beginning to look familiar with them.

    Another tweet from other sources not hell bent on patting themselves on the back could also be shown.

    This is after the last financial crisis.. Now with another recession looming, and accommodation unaffordable in Ireland, what do you think the youth currently working will do then with their money that they are saving? Rent a one bed for a month, or get the feck out of here?




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yes precisely and the Poster starts off by enquiring what it's all about , gets responses then refers to the Locals and makes spurious claims about lying, I've two words that come to mind , but I'll remain calm 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    This is yet another one of those vaguely interesting stats where headline percentages are being reworked into an entirely different agenda. 17.5% of say 4.8m is under 1m. Portugal's 14% is double. Even 5% of Germans is 4 times that many and the tiny Brazilian percentage is over 20 times ours in numbers. This is the proportion of people who did not currently live in their native land at that time, some of them likely for many years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    The exact same could be applied to Leo's tweet.

    It is still a huge percentage of our population fleeing from the problems here, as they won't be able to affored to live here. The majority of those employed 'youth' would not be on a decent wage, and most certainly not be able to use that wage to both pay a rent or mortgage and pay for general expenses. You can bet that a very high amount of them will be gone once the recession hits.

    It's also not really the statistics that are relevant there as much as what has and will happen when the recession hits. Which is entirely predictable. FG having done little or nothing to help the housing crisis for their entire tenure has led to this. So not really sure Leo should be posting no context statistics with hands clapping emoji as if it's something to celebrate.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Leo's data comes from current Eurostat data and it provides that context. That other tweet is not remotely useful unless you think it's a secret weapon to roll out against an incumbent government. That 2014 stat could include people from as far back as the 1950s for all we know.

    Few people under 25 are on a so-called decent wage, almost exclusively due to lack of experience or knowledge.



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