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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Summer 2022 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭US3




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Generally the same as what the charts were looking like yesterday except maybe a touch warmer from next weekend. The high will move in sometime between Monday and Wednesday with temperatures slowly rising to high teens and low twenties. From Friday onwards mid to high twenties look likely and this lasts untill the 11th or the 12th of July before much cooler weather takes over from the Atlantic. This is based on the current GFS 12z which is still rolling out. Somewhere between 4 and 6 days of warm to very warm weather with locally hot conditions by next Sunday/Monday before the breakdown.

    GEM is still cooler than the GFS but alot better than recent GEM runs with low to mid twenties possible by next weekend. The GEM still looks a bit on the cooler side for the north-west with the core of high temperatures in the southern half of the country.

    UKMO looks good and in line with the GFS up to next Wednesday which is still the early stages of this high pressure. Can't see further than that till tomorrow.

    This mornings ECM run also in line with the GFS and temperatures lifting up properly by next weekend. This may not be as hot as last July's heatwave but wouldn't be far off it if the GFS verifies in it's current form.

    Still plenty of time left for more upgrades or the dreaded downgrades. This is still a week away from beginning so will be keeping an eye on the models throughout the next few days but for now the cross model agreement is fairly decent.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The GFS 12z operational has completed. I said above the high pressure looks like coming to a swift end around the 11th or 12th of July. However the final few frames shows this cool breakdown as very short lived as the oven doors are swung open by Thursday/Friday 14th/15th July with temperatures getting close to 30C in Leinster and Munster and possibly a historic never happened before 40C in the London area. If these last few frames of the GFS 12z aren't an extreme hot outlier i'll eat my hat. The chances of this verifying are basically 0% as Ireland never does well from heat plumes but it's fun to see on the models.

    The GFS underplays it's temperatures by 2 to 3C during the summer so add those onto the temperatures below as a guide.

    The fact that the mediterranean sea temperatures are like a hot bath right now means any very hot air moving northwards out of Africa will have little to no sea modifcation as it moves up through France and Spain. This would lead to potential plume scenarios like the one above bringing extroadinary temperatures into France and perhaps south-east England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    I'd close my account if that GFS 12z happened.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Wow! What kind of temperatures could France be looking at? A 40C in UK would be an historic event in this already historic early summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Ah LOL @sryanbruen! Middle Eastern temps... nope!! Or I certainly hope not 😵



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    That's a France 2003 special right there. Of course this will be nowhere to be seen on the next run but it is fun to see these crazy charts and this is what make FI the home of broken dreams.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭esposito




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    2 Days ago when the GFS first showed high twenties for Ireland next weekend, I said it will be gone on the next run. We've had about 8 GFS runs since and the high twenties are still there! GFS has been very consistant with the high pressure warmth potential over the past 48 hours.

    I mentioned a few times that the ECM extended is showing some very warm anomalies for second half of July and into the first 2 weeks of August. CFS models also going for a very warm second half of July. Now we have extreme heat making it's way into the end of the short term models. None of this may verify but there is certaintly some evidence now that summer is about to step it up by several gears, after a very cool June north of the English Channel.

    Northern Spain and the north-western half of Portugal is finally going to get it's summer back too after 2 weeks of Irish style bad summer temperatures.

    Very interesting model watching ahead.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 12z has fully completed. It is an extreme outlier on 2 occassions, the final 2 days of the high pressure and the plume right at the end. Overall the mean average is not as warm as the 6z so as a guide I would be expecting generally low to mid twenties at best with next week's high pressure. The other models don't go far enough to show the hot days which the GFS is showing and within the GFS range most members do not go for high twenties either. The GFS 12z operational run kind of went of the rails from the 11th of July to the 15th of July.

    Edit: The ECM ensembles are overall hotter than the GFS with a more of a chance of mid to high twenties.

    Some very warm stuff on the GEM ensembles as well. Overall things certainly look like they will get progressively warmer next week fingers crossed with have no back tracking or flips to unsettled and cool.

    Post edited by Gonzo on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The GFS 00z was another crazy hot one with 30C over Leinster at times and a 41C for London before the breakdown. The current GFS 6z seems much more sensible and delays the warmth for next week with the high pressure only starting to make a move by Wednesday. It won't be until Thursday and into Friday before the high set's up over us and temperatures generally low to mid twenties next weekend and a breakdown on 14th July.

    The ECM ridges the high over us a bit earlier, around the Tuesday into the Wednesday. The ECM keeps trending warmer too and many of it's ensembles want to bring at least a week long warm spell which includes some days getting into the high 20s.

    If that control run ends up verifying be prepared for a very warm to hot second week of July.



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭Aquals


    This all sounds like great news Gonzo. I am following your updates with a keen interest as I have an important outdoor event on next weekend! Fingers crossed that the current predictions continue to be validated!

    Thanks for your updates!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Everything still on track for next week and weekend. What happens after Monday 11th is still a big question. This mornings GFS is backtracking on it turning cooler and fresher after the 11th with an increase in model runs becoming even warmer towards the middle of July. We may have a temporary 2 day period where things try to cool down from the north before temperatures take off again and possibly a reload of heat.

    I hope the 12z continues to increase the chances of heat from the 11th July onwards. ECM is very similar, basically going for at least a week of warm to very warm weather and no real signs of a proper cool down at the end either. By the time I next look at the models the pub run will already be rolling out so will check back on things later tonight.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Steady as she goes.

    GFS much warmer then the ECM but even if it was somewhere in the middle it would be quite good getting into the 20's perhaps. Need more convincing from the ECM, just not maintaining the pressure as long and nowhere as warm but it certainly is progress with calmer drier and a more settled spell of weather.



    Edit: diction!

    Post edited by Meteorite58 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Not to be taken seriously as this is an extreme solution and it is late but I had to post this in case it doesn't get banked.

    GFS 18z has a high pressure fest and ends with a seriously impressive anticyclone right over top of the UK & Ireland getting geopotential heights close to 600 dm!? I don't recall seeing as cracking a chart as this in summer before and I've seen some spicy ones! Absolutely ludicrous.

    Widespread high 20s and low 30s would be expected with that, would we be in Ireland anymore?

    Anyway, should be back down to earth when you all wake up 😂




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Just taken a look at the pub run and it's a hot one, but there are several outliers that are much warmer than it. At the very least even the mid range runs are going to slightly high twenties so It's fair to say we are most likely looking at a very warm second week of July that may well last into the third week as well. However there are some colder runs and enough of them that they can't be discounted so a much cooler second half of July is also on offer. All eyes on every run over the next few days. We could have a 1995 on our hands here but we may also have a 2018 where we will get 5 to 10 days of very warm weather but the rest of the summer will be slightly warmer but nothing northworthy. Either way it looks like summer will begin from early this week and provide at least a week of bbq type conditions. For all we know summer could go down the tubes after this period or remain decent enough and another hot spell a bit later on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Aye I was banking purely on the fact how extreme that high pressure was. Nearly 600 dam z500 in Ireland would be record breaking I'd have thought. I looked through reanalysis back to 1995 of notable anticyclones off the top of my head and none of them came as close with the 8th July 2013 being the closest comparable one. The potential of a record breaking heatwave here would be off the charts with that.

    Would be crazy.. 1 year on from what was already an exceptional heatwave in July 2021.

    No heatwave this morning but lots of dry weather. Still the general same theme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Met Eireann says there will be plenty of cloud all week and temperatures of 16 to 21c. The persistent West to Northwest airflow kills the start of it however from about July 9th to July 14th the high temperatures come. Then we wait to see will Low or High win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Latest chart rolling out very 2011esq. More Southwesterly so more moisture with mist and drizzle in the North and West bar 1 or 2 days. South would get one or 2 very warm days 28 or 29c and lots of days of 24c but the West will have Summer for only 1 or 2days.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM 0Z holding firm and the HP looking even stronger, higher and holding the pressure longer and that bit more centered nearer to Ireland, even keeping out LP's at the end of the run, more promising again for a good summery spell.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Well GFS 18z has yet again gone mental... shows raw 30C in southern half of Ireland on the 15th July but I know this is an Irish forum and well, look at what it shows for England on the 16th July. This is not the NAVGEM. This is not a single ensemble. This is the GFS operational run showing widespread 40C and even shows 41C in SE England.

    Never seen anything like it.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The charts posted by Syran are absolutely insane. I don't know which is the most impossible, southern half of Ireland getting into the low 30s widely or the south-eastern corner of England getting to low 40s widely. One of last nights charts got Shannon very close to 33C with widespread 30C across Munster and most of Leinster.

    This afternoons charts have scaled the warmth back somewhat to a more realistic scenario. Mid to high twenties for Ireland and low to mid thirties for the UK. Will tonights pub run be sensible or will it go on another bender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Ya ìt would certainly be strange to get over 30c so suddenly. This is the first year in my lifetime that temperature of 21c has not been reached by July 3rd in Sligo. So coz its such a mental sort of a year I wouldn't put it past the weather to go over 30c in the next 2 weeks sometime.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Tonights pub run clearly on water with a few ice cubes to sober up more after last nights session. Temperatures for week 2 of July more conservative generally low to mid twenties. However this low to mid level warmth continues right up to the end of the run for eastern and southern areas. This pub run overall has the north-west of Ireland and Northern Ireland on a knifesedge with very little in the way of proper warmth there and more in line with recent GEM and ECM charts in terms of temperature with 15 to 20C for the most part. The temperatures for the UK have also being dialed back, generally mid twenties to low thirties in the south-east of England.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    This mornings GFS 6z is similar to the pub run from last night but changes the position of the high pressure to allow cooler winds from the north-west to topple over the high into next week so gone are the high temperatures. However this GFS run keeps us generally under high pressure for a much longer period and it does get properly warm eventually, but the real warmth has been pushed out by another 4 or 5 days instead of having it starting Monday 11th.

    High pressure sets up this weekend.

    On this GFS run the high does not centre over us, it stays to our south and we stay on the cool side of the high with winds in from the west or north-west. This turns parts of the north-west fairly wet on the Monday and temperatures overall reduce nationwide to the 17 to 20C range instead of the high twenties which the GFS seems to have completely dropped.

    This is a fairly signifcant change for Monday the 11th of July compared to any of the models I've looked at over the past week. As this is a new turn of events from the GFS i'm not sold on how cool and unsettled these charts are showing.

    Tuesday 12th is another average day with temperatures generally 16 to 20C but much cooler across the north-west and west with north-westerlie winds around that high.

    Wednesday 13th see's the high re-establishing itself over Ireland and it is only from this point that we start to see low to mid twenties across Ireland.

    By the weekend of the 16/17 July mid twenties across the country with a few places possibly seeing high twenties.

    Tuesday 19th of July sees the breakdown to much cooler Atlantic conditions.

    If you like high temperatures, looks like we will need a little more patience to finally get there. I'm a bit surprised by the blip Monday/Tuesday 11/12th July but it seems the ECM is doing this too.

    ECM isn't looking great for next week with a good deal of support to end the warm weather around Sunday 10th of July, keeps that jetsteam far too close for comfort with the high too far south to tap into any real warmth.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    It's happened again (after going sober yesterday), GFS 18z is on a bender. Moreso for the UK this time but either way, those 850s are worthy of a look.

    I don't know anymore man 🤣




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    Apart from this week, has 40c ever shown up in FI charts for the UK? I don’t remember it ever happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Yes, a few years back a 42c appeared just north of Southampton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    The only model I've ever seen it appear on was NAVGEM - it even showed a 40C over Ireland if I remember correctly? It's here on Boards somewhere when someone posted it. It might have even been @Danno ^ himself that posted it. I can't be bothered to search for it on this horrible Boards. My memory is fading here, usually good at remembering trivial things like this.

    I haven't been model watching for that long though so don't have a great history to reflect on, some long-term viewers and Mets saying the other night was the first time seeing it on an operational run on a model like the GFS.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Tonights pub run went on quite a session and delivers +23C uppers briefly over Leinster as in extreme outlier almost on it's own. The Tip is almost off the scale.

    Next week is flirting some serious warmth.

    No chance of this verifying but it's fun to see.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    An update on the extended range forecast covering the next 16 days or so.

    Up to Sunday 10th July:

    I have covered this section on the up to 120 hour thread but basically high pressure becoming established over the country with sunshine becoming more widespread. Cloud will vary from place to place and this will play a part in where see's the highest temperatures. Temperatures generally 19 to 24C, warmest from Friday to Sunday. The north-west will be cooler and more cloudy up to Friday but it does look like the good weather will eventually get there by the weekend with temperatures 14 to 19C up to Friday and 16 to 22C over the weekend.


    Monday 11th to Sunday 17th:

    Next week is looking warm to very warm right across the country with all areas enjoying some very warm and sunny weather. There is still some uncertainty with how warm it could get but generally temperatures between 22 and 28C can be expected this week with a few locations possibly getting up to 30 or 31C under extended spells of sunshine with minimal sea breeze influences. I'm thinking either Shannon or Mt Dillion would be the official stations that might reach 30C once conditons are perfect as long as the models to continue to verify about next weeks warmth.

    There are currently several GFS hot outliers going for hotter conditions than what I'm suggesting where low 30s would be widespread but these runs are too extreme for me to take them seriously.

    The models also suggest little to no rain over the coming 12 days with a possible breakdown beginning sometime between the 15th to 18th of July. As of this morning this spell of warm to hot weather is shaping up to be similar to the very warm spell we had last July, however the models are still getting to grips with next week's potential so expect anything from not as intense as July 2021 to more intense or somewhere in between! Either way this is shaping up to be a very warm July and the first half at least very dry.

    Currently the GFS is showing between 2 and 5mm of rain over the next 16 days with some higher totals across the east and south at the very end of this period, but these rainfall totals are relying on thunderstorm activity during the breakdown stages of the high temperatures so there is a fair chance many areas could escape without any rainfall until the 3rd week of July.

    There is a chance that this breakdown could be temporary and it's possible there could be a reload of very warm weather during the final week of July. The long range models are starting to suggest that August could be fairly poor and Atlantic driven so make the most of the lovely weather over the next 10 to 14 days, especially after the poor June and dissapointing first few days of July.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    That's mad!

    Is the ECM much duller/damper? As the max shown on YR for here next Tuesday/Wednesday is 10C lower than above, with cloud and drizzle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭pauldry


    I don't think it's shaping up to be as good as last July in the West when lots of Mayo some of Sligo and many other locations got over 30c. I remember leaving Bundoran coz it was too hot. I also remember leaving the beach in Connemara coz the sand was too hot. We went to a park the next day and it was 31c.

    This year I wouldn't completely rule out it going over 30c in many locations near mid July and some stations have a small chance of their warmest July day on record but even if the West escapes these high temperatures science says heatwaves are only going to become more and more frequent so don't be surprised if most years we get at or near 30c anymore.

    Wonder will London hit 40c and France 45c. Exciting. If scary.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The shaping up is still taking place and will change slightly with each run over the next week. The 6z is rolling out now and brings the Atlantic back as early as the 13th, so this warm spell could end a bit earlier than I said in my post, anywhere from 12th of July to 18th of July. I am hoping this high pressure will continue to evolve and would love to see the warm and dry weather extend out beyond the 20th of July, but that is asking for alot! I think we will break 30C too at some stage over the next 3 to 4 weeks but it will be limited to one or two places and unlikely to be a widespread temperature. I'm not really buying into the London to hit 40C or more, it just seems excessive a bit like Ireland trying to get to 33C or more. The sun, moon and stars need to line up perfectly for something like that to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Its not like you to be pessimistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Yeah the 40c is deep in the realms of fantasy Island but keeps coming up. Probably turn out like the great blizzard prediction of last Christmas and be 17c!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Right now its the coldest summer I can remember since 1986



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Yeah. See temperatures now and Sligo is 14c but Claremorris 17c and Athenry 19c pretty respectable Just Sligo and Donegal and Leitrim are freezing.

    Also 1986 had got well over 20c by July 5th in previous months. No year has had this cold in the Northwest. .... maybe 1886!



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Big change on the GFS 12z. The high pressure breaks down from Monday and we go back into a cooler north-westerly Atlantic driven flow and no heat at all next week! Think the GFS might be having a fairly major model wobble. Could be a cool outlier will have to wait and see when the set of runs complete.

    We will probably need a few more days to see are we in for a cool Atlantic driven week or will we maintain the high pressure and possibly pull up some very warm south-easterlies for a time. Could this be like the run up to the great bust of Christmas 2021 all over again!

    GEM 12z keeps the heat throughout next week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Hairypoppins


    Gem flips though showing what the ecm was showing dis morning, possible heatwave conditions,ukmo doesn't look as if its going to show the atlantic come crashing in either after Monday,gfs on its usual mad one here I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Yup. The way the weather is will be the way it remains bar a warm weekend. As I said before it's hard change a dominant theme each Summer so we have a windy Northwesterly one with cloud and drizzle and though it will slightly improve it has nowhere really to go as the Highs are set up where they are going to stay.

    Anyways an Azores High always retreats back to the Azores so we need a Scandi High which we sometimes get in late August September.

    Still at least we don't have an active jet bar the last week in June though mid to late July could reinvigorate that too and then delightful W to NW airflow with wind and heavier rain instead of mist.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The GFS 12z still rolling out and no surprises that the operational run is a cool to cold outlier almost on it's own. Still huge uncertainty how things will turn out next week. Majority of the runs are warm, some are extremely warm outliers and then there are a few cool outliers such as the current operational run. The mean temperature is still the same as previous runs keeping it warmer than average till about the 19th July.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Sounds much more like this mornings ECM/YR so. Dull, damp, cool.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ECM/GEM 12z are both fine and warm for next week with hints of a breakdown towards Friday.

    Icon brings a cool breakdown as early as Tuesday afternoon.

    Great uncertainty remains about next week. Will we have a breakdown on Monday but it could be Tuesday. It also could be late Thursday or sometime on Friday into Saturday. This needs another few days before we can be sure what way next week will go.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Are models still looking the same 😁 roll on this heat, but part of me isn't getting excited just yet



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Thanks for the updates weather gurus! Just out of interest, how are France and UK looking? Any possibilities of some of those crazy heat forecasts materialising there? Those earlier charts looked scary...



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Looks like a front moving down the country on Tuesday next, weakening as it goes from NW to SE, not as warm as the weekend but could still get up around 20 or so in places before the rain knocks it back a bit. A lot of dry weather for the rest of the week it would seem, some rain in the north of the country later in the week perhaps, fog might be a feature at times. Temperatures perhaps getting into the low 20's , signs that it could get quite warm widespread again towards the weekend into the mid 20s.

    Both GFS and ECM look very similar, weekend of the 15 -17th one to watch with some very high temperatures projected for France and the UK, will we see into the high 20's for Ireland ? Looks like a plume of tropical sourced warm air heading our way perhaps, that shallow Low to our S at the end of the run has been showing up for a number of runs, could act in our favour for a blast of very warm weather and of course an extra interest to those that like to observe thunderstorms, a good bit off but has been a feature for a lot of runs now.







  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    It's the thunderstorms I'm hoping for! Thank you weather gurus, (sorry for chat on the Weather thread).



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    A possible warm to very warm spike for next Friday and Saturday. Will need to be watched. For the Uk this could be excessive heat but for us it should be something much more manageable, around 23 to 26C possible over the Friday and Saturday.

    Those temperatures look on the low side considering we have close to +20 uppers across the country but perhaps the briefness of it all limits the temperature potential. Still looks like next weekend will be fairly warm to very warm after a cooler interlude from Tuesday to Thursday next week.



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