Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Just as a follow up to this,job done, Ovsyannikova heads back to Russia:

Its not a civil war when you're neighbour invades , as Russian military units did in 2014 ... And you're right the world did not suddenly begin in Feb 2022 or 2014 , or the collapse of soviet Russia , or with kruschev , or with the back and forth of WW2, or Stalin and the holodomor , or the Soviet /Ukrainian war , or even the tzar ...

But Russia decided to invade Ukraine - for its own ends

Look Odyssey. We've been round the mountain many times with this one. The US and EU broke this agreement in 2014 before the annexation of Crimea. Look at the pivotal sentence in your quote:

'to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine'

The US were also signatories to this agreement which they violated when the US orchestrated the 2014 coup. If you don't think they "interfered" look at the Victoria Nuland Phone leak youtube video where she is basically stating who they plan to put in government instead of Klitschko. Here is the BBC transcript of the conversation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

They furthermore did not "Respect the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine" when they violated commitment 3 which says:

"Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine to influence their politics."

On February 19th the US and the EU implemented economic sanctions on the democratically elected president of Ukraine and the nation of the Ukraine in order to destabilise his government. That was a clear violation of the above condition.

I'm simply going to post the above every time you have one of your "Liar Liar, Budapest Budapest, Liar Liar" meltdowns. Ok?

This is what your Liar in Chief said, this is the from the actual Russia government;

"Russia never violated Budapest memorandum. It contained only one obligation, not to attack Ukraine with nukes."

Even he didn't try this absolute nonsense out.

You keep running away from the question, why didn't the Ukranian President sign the EU trade treaty?

Nothing to do with the economic pressure placed by Russia against Ukraine? Nope??

In mid-August 2013 Russia changed its customs regulations on imports from Ukraine[117] such that on 14 August 2013, the Russian Custom Service stopped all goods coming from Ukraine[118] and prompted politicians[119] and sources[120][121][122] to view the move as the start of a trade war against Ukraine to prevent Ukraine from signing a trade agreement with the European Union.

SO if you do think such trade restrictions are a violation of Budapest, Russia still violated it first.

Checkmate and game over. Your lies have been exposed to the ultraviolet disinfectant of the truth.

Your are a denier of war crimes and atrocities, and a proven liar. So when you come on here claiming Russia is there to protect ethnic Russians, you have zero credibility and are spreading more lies and disinformation.

Could you imagine using the same argument if it was the Ukrainians making territory gains? You people live in upside down world.

"The Asov Nazi's aren't Nazi's. The Russians are the Nazi's."

"Ukraine is winning by allowing Russia to steal its armoury , imprison its best fighters and raise the LPR flag in town after town. These inept Russian fools. They are falling right into the Ukrainians trap."

"Your lies have been exposed to the ultraviolet disinfectant of the truth."

You're prose really is quite entertaining sometimes. Yes good Chess move there Mr Kasparov. You obviously mean the so called "chocolate war". However, being a quality chess player like your good self, Putin was careful to mask the embargo as a bureaucratic issue with the quality of goods. It was a devious way of influencing the Ukrainian political system but it nonetheless wasn't an official breach of the agreement as they weren't officially political sanctions like the American & EU sanctions.

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Welcome to the world of Russian lies, where a trade embargo isn't "economic pressure". A full embargo by your largest trading partner isn't economic pressure, but minor EU\US sanctions on visas for officials are. Yeah that's a lie.

And Russia is actually a liberal democracy (yes the poster claims to believe this also). Yeah that's a lie.

Your liar in Chief Lavrov doesn't even believe the lie you're trying to spin now.

You should try to stick to the same script. When you can't even keep your lies straight, you trip yourselves up.

Remember, this is what he said (ps this is a lie too)

"Russia never violated Budapest memorandum. It contained only one obligation, not to attack Ukraine with nukes."

So no. You can't refute these facts. Good to know.

That "debunking" mentions nothing about decomposition of the bodies and timelines.

I would post a timeline of human decomposition but I don't want to make myself even more unpopular than I already am. But after 23 days the decomposed body is in a pretty dire state as I'm sure you would all agree. And the temperature in Kiev in that time period hit over 15 degrees celsius on at least 5 days and rarely dropped below zero at night time.

Ok ..

So I how do I put certain posters on an ignore list .. there are posters who have valid points ,and valid opinions

..and then there are those who just repeatedly trot out lies repeatedly , either knowingly- in which case I don't want to hear them. - or stupidly and repeatedly after being shown - in which case I don't want to hear them ..

And I agree that everyone has an angle - and you can look past that- but when the "fill the air with so much **** that no one can see the truth " defence is used ,then I don't want to see all that shite ..

@Markcheese

Go to your profile page https://www.boards.ie/profile/

PC Browser: Click on the 'Head Icon with Down arrow' & 'Ignore List' and enter the user name you want to ignore.

Mobile: Edit your profile and there is a link to ignore list. https://www.boards.ie/profile/ignore

You will still see quoted posted of the users on your list.

If they profile are not private, you can do it on that page as well.

If someone on your ignore list, quotes you or tags you do you still see it?

The debunking was showing the earlier lies from the Russian side being contradicted, and it is only a matter of time before the current lie is shown up in similar fashion.

Day time temperatures didn't get to above fridge temperatures until 20th March. And the night time temperatures were below zero for most of the month even as late as 28th March. So to say they were decomposing for 23 days - no.

Weather in March 2022 in Bucha, Ukraine (timeanddate.com)

And then there are the witness statements and mass graves and bodies found with hands tied behind their backs.

Bucha massacre - Wikipedia