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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The greens want to reduce both the beef and dairy herds do they not, and that is certainly not going to improve our economy. It would not lessen global emissions either as others would just increase their numbers. Brazil among them while burning more of the Amazon to do so.

    Greens are big on ideology but joined up thinking really is beyond them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    We export nearly all of it, we could drastically reduce how much we produce and still have plenty.

    Anyway it's a moot point, the gov are doing whatever they can do to make sure agriculture is not affected by emissions targets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    that makes no sense. what 16% of the total exports go to none EU countries excluding the UK our biggest market. are you saying it's greener for these places to import from south America ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We could do the same with everything else we export and just produce what we need for ourselves and completely wreck our economy in one fell swoop.

    Two parties in government may be doing whatever they can to make sure agriculture is not affected, but that does not gell with the uttering of the tail of the dog, the Green party.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We export 1.44 billion worth of beef to the E.U. Brazil last year exported 540 million worth of beef to the E.U. We are supposed to reduce our beef herd while Brazil on the other side of the world is shipping 40% of our exports to the E.U. You really could not make this sh^te up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,843 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    And rightly so. Or are you OK with the idea of putting all those farmers on the dole, significantly damaging our economy (oh and the environment somewhere else - after all, the food we weren't exporting to country X would have to be imported from somewhere else, right?)

    We're a small island of 5 million people. No matter how much we prostrate ourselves to Eamon Ryan's fantasies and the Green ideology, it'll make feck all difference to what the likes of China, India, the US, Russia and other "big polluters" do.

    I am tired of this nonsense now. It fails almost every logical test with even a cursory examination of the policies and proposals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Newstalk are just a bunch of shock jocks looking for the next text in binge



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well no, ideally we'd stop producing so much of it and other countries would consume less of it, regardless of where it comes from. I'm aware this will never happen and the planet is doomed though.

    Also Ireland may be insignificant, but the EU is nearly 500 million people and China's biggest customer, we are part of the EU, which certainly isn't insignificant, are you against EU emissions goals too?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Yes they got us hooked on Russia. Now were in a Dire situation.

    Post edited by xxxxxxl on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Last week The Financial Times reported that the U.K. National Grid has a contingency plan to shut the interconnector gas pipelines to the Netherlands and Belgium if U.K. supplies run short, and Norway has warned that gas exports to the U.K. could be cut off by this weekend due to oil worker strikes.

    With the Southwest Kinsale reservoir decommissioned we have no natural gas storage facility, no LNG terminal and even if we had the Kinsale reservoir The Irish Green party proposed legislation if passed would prevent using it for LNG storage. Our energy regulator stated we do not have energy security and we are not in E.U. compliance on energy security a few months ago. That situation has not improved. If anything with the U.K. contingency plan and the strike in Norway, the situation is even more precarious now.

    I would not see that being aired as shock jock tactics Crossing fingers and hoping for the best by our government I would find shocking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Almost like the Energy regulator warned us. Then suggestion quite adamant ones there is no way the UK would put themselves first. Any country would put themselves first it's The governments job to secure the health and safety of their people. The ones that voted them in.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,148 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We do not have our own little biosphere and neither does the E.U. but it looks as if they believe they do in that emission elsewhere are in their own biosphere. We in the E.U. import solar panels from China, the worlds largest CO2 emitter who are now predicted to become also the world leading suppliers of EVs. They also use slave labour to produce these products. The E.U. also imports 540 million euro worth of beef from Brazil, (40% of what we, a member supply to the E.U.) while they expect us to reduce our beef herd due to emissions of methane. Brazilian cattle per head produce as much methane as Irish cattle, Brazil is burning down the Amazon to produce cattle. Last year alone 2.2 million hectares (an area the size of Wales), and are then shipping them to E.U. as if their carbon footprint wasn`t large enough already.

    Should the question not be why is the E.U. not bothered about emissions anywhere else ? More of the green nonsense that we must show a good example and everyone else will follow ? Everyone else is looking after their own economies, even within the E.U., and could care less about us wrecking ours to show a good example.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    so do you think the EU shouldn't lower emissions at all, and should continue importing lots of products from China?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Nah make them in the EU in a far more carbon Efficient way without the child labour. Think most people would agree with that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The E.U. are importing green tech from China that is being produced with energy from coal and slave labour, so really lowering global emissions only concerns them within the E..U. Human rights does seem to be a concern either.

    The E.U. is also importing beef from Brazil where cattle produce the same per head of methane as Irish cattle to the value of the 40% Ireland, a member state produces for the same market on the doorstep of the E.U. as well as us have much stricter controls on animal health and welfare, while Brazil is burning down rain-forest the size of Wales annually to do so and then shipping that meat half way around the world, while pontificating, same as greens, that we should cut our herds, our exports and put a hole in our economy plus creating large scale job loses.

    If you cannot see the ironic hypocrisy then there is not much I can do for you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well Ireland ships meat and dairy around the world too and doesn't have many forests or biodiversity because of intensive farming. We also import lots of feed from around the world. You mention animal rights but we export hundreds of thousands of male calves to other countries every year, including places like Libya and Kazakhstan which aren't renowned for animal rights either. I don't think we can point fingers at anyone just because we're small.

    The whole system is f*cked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    and you'd be ok with goods being far more expensive? I mean I would be, I think stuff is too cheap nowadays and it leads to lots of waste



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Careful now you will get in trouble for suggesting some animal slaughter is wrong. 😆



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Not all Chinese stuff is cheap or do you consider the Iphone cheap for example.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Charlie was concerned with animal rights not me



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Last year we exported 246,887 live cattle. Of that number 96.8% were exported to other European countries with the other 3.2% to Lybia , Kazakhstan and others. So no we do not "export hundreds of thousands of male calves to other countries every year" that aren`t renowned for animal rights.

    We do not have intensively beef reared cattle in Ireland, and we have very strict veterinary standards. Last year 1,792,500 cattle were slaughtered for beef. There are 74,159 beef farms in Ireland. That is an average per farm of 24 cattle. If you think Irish cattle are intensively farmed, then you really do not know what intensive farming is.

    I agree with you you that the whole E.U. system is f*cked when we are incentivising China to use slave labour and coal burning plants to provide green tech, and importing 40% of the beef that Ireland provides from Brazil where standards are poor, while the E.U. keeps piling on restrictions on farmers and want us, courtesy of green policy to cut our herds. We do not have a intensive farming, but with ever increasing E.U. regulations and restrictions, having to compete with beef not raised to any of those standards is actually going to result in many farmers going on the dole, with those left in the industry having to resort to intensive farming to survive.

    Yet again for greens it`s all about the ideology with neither the sense or foresight to see that they should be very careful of what they wish for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Stuff is too cheap now-a-days.

    You remind me of Bertie "I'm a socialist" Ahern when he said "Ireland is no longer a low-cost economy" along with "I don't know how people who engage in that don't commit suicide"

    Socialist alright - a fcuking champagne socialist if there ever was one the bollox.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is it just tipped into the ocean or does someone somewhere eat it?

    Enlighten us please.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Nope. I never mentioned animal rights. I did mentioned human rights in China with the use of slave labour to produce green tech.

    Neither have I any problem with animal welfare. That was you with the supposedly "hundred of thousands of male calves we export live to Libya and Kazakhstan each year" Last year of the 246,887 of live exports, 96.8% were to Europe, and just over half those live exports were calves



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If the eu reduces food production while the planets population is projected to hit nearly 10 billion by 2050 then where will the food come from? Clearing the Amazon?


    Reducing our emissions per capita while importing people from low emissions populations will not reduce our total emissions. Climate does not care about per capita emissions, only total emissions



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Yeah couple videos how food production reduction may look like when you see netherland's supermarkets. Country which do have no issues with bankrupting half of their farmers and send prices spiraling is not governed by the people. Mainly if this is done in some vague "saving the planet" ideology which refuse to acknowledge that biggest polluters keep polluting more without hesitation.




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    Are RTE reporting on these protests? its radio silence on Twitter. The IFA ought to be dumping a load of slurry outside the Dutch Embassy in solidarity, you know they are coming for irish farmers next



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Sorry you mentioned countries not being renowned for animal rights and welfare, my point was we have no problem exporting live animals to these countries which makes Ireland complicit too.



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