Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

Macy Gray the singer says "'Changing your parts doesn't make you a woman': " More and more people especially women are starting to speak out about it. The more people speak out the more chance the "no debate" will be silenced.

Love the reply from Sorelle 🤣 Couldn't have put it better.

Except they are. In Ireland, women have complete equality with men. The only thing they're slightly missing is gender-only rights which aren't available to men, which is the next step. The gender wage gap comes down entirely to personal choices, and work performance.. and has been debunked a gazillion times, but people feel the need to promote women as being victims in society. Even when it's not true. The only remaining issue is the placement for senior positions, which requires the old guard to die off, freeing up seats for a more equal assignment.. but that requires to wait a little time. The rights/laws/social norms are already established to ensure equality for women.

Please lay off the women as victims with me, like Dorothylives I also am not a man hater and it makes my blood boil when I see this victimhood sh*t. Like you can't say to a woman watch your drink when you go out as it's seen as victim blaming. On the matter of pay gap, this is from the citizen's advice "If there are gaps in women and men’s earnings

Where there is a gap between women’s and men’s earnings, employers will need to explain why there is a gap and what measures are being taken to eliminate or reduce it."

The gender wage gap comes down entirely to personal choices, and work performance -

I would disagree partly on that, while women are usually the main ones to care for kids and need time off to deal with matters it's a difficult situation to make people equal because there are biological differences. Women are the only ones able to get pregnant and give birth. While it may be a personal choice to have children, women do have the right to have kids if they want to and it does take two to tango. There is also the matter of periods, it's not a choice and it's something that many women have problems with . No woman chooses to get debilitating cramps, heavy bleeding, headaches and even nausea. Women's healthcare regarding pain management is seriously lacking.

I saw the posts ref identity and I said it it effects both men and women. I posted recently about Paternity leave and how even the wording of that has changed to his or her.

America should never be used as a basis for change in Europe, TBH it's one of the reasons we have so many issues nowadays here. People have transplanted short-sighted American policies and plonked them in Europe without acknowledging the negatives involved, or adapting them to European cultures. The building pushback to Trans in the US could easily die off... their society is extremely fragmented and everything is politicalized, with the Us VS them mentality. So.. no, I'm not holding out much hope that the US will become a reasonable leader in demolishing this crap, because they started it all off, and secondly, both the PC/Woke movements still retain huge influence within US institutions.

But we have many cultures now living in Ireland that are trying to influence law. One thing I noticed at the 8th amendment rally's especially here in waterford was the amount of eastern europeans that are pro life. And other societies will always be looked to for inspiration. The PC/ Woke movements, it's hard to say how much influence they have over there when media sanitises everything. I'd say a lot of people are just keeping their mouths shut because of these few nuts that will destroy lives just because they don't agree.

It's one thing I have noticed with the 4th Wave feminazi is the level of ruthlessness'. I can't ever seeing the more right leaning, hunting down details on someone and then harassing's employers to get that person fired for just saying trans women are men. The levels they will go to destroy someone's life for a view is frightening and it's no wonder the ordinary person is afraid to speak up. There is something very wrong with those people.

@[Deleted User] this is where your understanding of equality falls very short. While there is no biological reason for women to stay at home “after birth”, you seem to conveniently gloss over the rather important birth part.

Pregnancy is generally three quarters of a year long. Healthy recovery from the maternity period is roughly another 6 to 8 weeks, and that’s if there are no complications. Breastfeeding is recommended in babies up to 2 years. It is also recommended to leave a gap of 18 months between pregnancies, in order to allow the body to properly recover from the frankly massive upheaval that it has been through.

Maternity pay as it is is a social welfare payment in Ireland. It is not based on a woman’s current rate of pay or pension, and employers are not obliged to pay women during this time. If a woman takes maternity leave of 26 weeks 2 or 3 times in her life, this has a knock on effect on her salary, pension, potential for promotion and/ or raise that men simply do not experience.

All while being hit with substandard childcare, judgement from peers at work for having baby brain, or sick on her blazer or having her larger than normal lactating breasts stared at, judgment from stay at home moms for going to work in the first place etc etc etc. Men take their 2 weeks of parental leave and are treated as heros and renaissance men for doing so.

But ya, equality is totally a choice that women make.

This discussion has taken a turn the TRAs would be delighted with.