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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭sparky42


    You think that’s the only issue with the article? It’s nuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Paper never refuses ink, as they say, but the BelTel editor who decided to publish that needs his whole head deeply examined.

    The most baseless, fanciful, fantasy Island article I've read in a so-called serious paper in a very long time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭mupper2


    Tangential to fighters but... Interesting bit from COS Lt Gen Séan Clancy's piece in An Cosantóir he mentions work being done to acquire new helos. I can't post links, but pg6 of the new Air corps commemorative issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Certainly is interesting alright.

    But no doubt related to the VERY strong lobbying by the DF and the AC in particular to get back into SAR.

    When Vice Admiral Mellett was Chief, naval investment was unprecedented, I guess we should expect no less for the first flyer as CoS. He is pushing something of an open door with the likely adoption of LoA 2.5 next month, but whether SAR will actually be part of the tasking of an expanded Air Corps remains to be seen.

    The Commission were very strongly of the view that the Air 'Force" should be for military tasks, air defence, ground support, ISTAR and airlift. Arguably this being adopted makes an civil SAR return to the AC, less and not more likely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Its wonder they dont order an extra EC135 and rotate the EC135s for the 112 role so they can free up the 139 fleet. It will be interesting with the upcoming HSE Munster based HEMS will the air corps pull the plug on Athlone and the HSE add a second contractor based out of the northmidlands



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    After the EC135 "HARD LANDING" not a crash they switched to the 139 and didnt go back when they got the 135 back. Did the 139 just work better due to the distance it covers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The ground work being laid nicely with drip feeds to the media of these difficulties, in order to purchase a couple of shiny new business jets. They already leased a Citation CJ3 on the back of these incidents.

    As always, there are different agendae at play here, but we can say with certainty, that claims of problems getting parts and tech support for a 19 year old LearJet 45, are total bűllshyt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Apperntly there is a major issue worldwide in getting parts for learjets within there supply chain. Also Learjet closing down has not helped customer service



  • Registered Users Posts: 45 spark23


    Learjet 45's/60/75 will be around for a very long time yet. Learjet 35's still in widespread commercial service. Problems can arise for various issues as in lack of foresight in ordering spares etc. Easily 20 years plus left in IRL258. HS125's are still in service on many continents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    So are you saying this whole issue came about due to it being as simple as someone not ordering parts in time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I presume thats no uniqe to the Irish Military and its an issue other militarys have around the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Presumably yes, but other Militaries tend not to have a single example of a type. They can take aircraft out of service, rationalise or replace operations with another type, or scavenge parts.

    We've seen the consequences of our own policy with both the G IV and now the Lear.

    I think myself, now that we have the new CASAs due (not primarily a passenger plane, I know) that the MATS and all other personnel transportation could be reliably provided by 2 x PC-24 for domestic and Trans-European service and then either a modular A32x or C-130J, as we've previously discussed. I would be wet leasing an A32x FROM Aer Lingus to guarantee reliability and remove the issue of scarce parts or technical capacity.

    It's important to provide a reliable MATS, but also to be shown to be responsible in the climate change aspect, so I think commercial services would probably be suitable for 90% of air travel beyond Europe. In the minority of instances where it isn't practical, charter services are plentiful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    In my post I said domestic and trans-European service only for the PC-24 and commercial and charters for travel beyond Europe. I'm aware of their range.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Depends what the view is on replacing the Lear.

    The Gulfstream was never replaced. If they are going to at least go back to the fleet they had a decade ago, then something like a Falcon 900LX with a PC-24 or two, would do the job nicely.

    But I suspect a more flexible fleet may be considered, and that's where something like a modular interior A321XLR neo would solve many needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yeah, it was the RAF wet lease from Titan Airways that I had in my head. Imagine one of these in a nice tricolour livery, 12 2x2 seats for Principals, 120 2x3 seats for UN mission deployment, government staff or civilian repatriation etc and the balance vacant space behind a bulkhead for optional railed fit-out as needed, air ambulance or light freight etc

    It would be a great asset to the State.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Interesting article in the IT today (though I can never get the quote tag to work when copying and pasting):


    Not long ago at a dinner party in Helsinki, a visiting senior US official asked her hosts what they would do if “little green men” crossed over their 1,300km border with Russia into Finland.

    The answer from the senior official seated opposite was simple, abrupt and classic Finnish: “Why, we’d shoot them.”

    The last time war came to Ireland, some people worked hard to preserve our reputation as the land of 100,000 welcomes – even for unwanted visitors. When the hapless Nazi spy Hermann Görtz parachuted into Ireland in 1940 and was taken in by Iseult Gonne, she, aided by her mother, Maud, bought him new suits in Switzers.

    That department store is long-gone but the old wartime question is back: what would Ireland do if... That question followed me on a 9,000km journey around Europe this month: from the eerie, deserted Finnish-Russian border to the chandeliered splendour of Vienna’s chancellery and the Stockholm grave of Olof Palme, the former Swedish prime minister and leading Nato critic.

    Finland and Sweden have decided that Russia’s February 24th invasion of Ukraine has changed everything. Old certainties of military neutrality and non-alignment, they agree, are no longer the best guarantees to secure their security, population and interests. By bringing the entire Baltic region under the alliance’s defence umbrella, they hope to preserve the peace.

    In Austria, I encountered a very different consensus: military neutrality – hard won and easily lost – may, in this growing crisis, be more important than ever. But, even in Vienna, non-alignment is something to be defended with investment in a strong army and defence capabilities.

    Dublin needs to triple its defence spend and abolish anachronistic military command structures dating from the Civil War era

    No one in Helsinki, Stockholm or Vienna has unsolicited advice for Ireland. Like themselves, they know that the Irish have their own, complicated history and will their make decisions on their security based on their own needs. But what are those needs and what action is required, given we are already grappling with the consequences of conflict – inflation, recession, displacement?

    Military expenditure

    Our EU neighbours are reacting but when they ask about Ireland’s plan to defend itself, Irish officials give them defeated shrugs. One close follower of our defence matters, and a friend of Ireland, is Lieut Gen Esa Pulkkinen. He is director general of defence policy at Finland’s ministry of defence and was invited to be part of the Irish defence review. In his Helsinki ministry, he said that, at a minimum, Dublin needs to triple its defence spend and abolish anachronistic military command structures dating from the Civil War era.

    Looking on from Sweden, the Svenska Dagbladet daily told its readers that Ireland’s most notable response to Kremlin aggression to date was the truck backed into the Russian embassy. In Vienna, puzzled officials wanted to know if Ireland was really dependent on its fisherman to defend its coastline – and crucial undersea cables – from Russian visitors.

    Back in Helsinki, the defence ministry cyber defence unit was well aware of the Russian hack of the Irish health system network and wondered if we were better prepared for cyberattack on our electricity grid.

    Looking in from the outside, the most interesting aspect of Ireland’s response to the new, chilly reality are the psychological elements, mixing narcissism with an inferiority complex. If we need help, won’t our Nato neighbours come to our aid? But, sure, who would be interested in attacking us?

    There is a remarkable emotional disconnect between Irish pride in its achievements – a peaceful society, good education system, an export-driven economy powered by tech and pharma multinationals – and the readiness to defend these achievements and the prosperity they bring.

    Relying on UK

    As one senior Finnish official asked, “Please explain to me why Ireland is celebrating a centenary of its independence from the UK, yet, to defend that sovereignty, relies almost entirely on the UK?”

    While others in Europe make painful changes to maintain their status quo, Ireland’s security debate struggles to get off the ground. It remains hobbled by widespread confusion between military neutrality and passive pacifism. Some even hold up with pride our defence spend – the lowest in the EU – like cloves of garlic to ward off Nato vampires.

    “Please explain to me why Ireland is celebrating a centenary of its independence from the UK, yet, to defend that sovereignty, relies almost entirely on the UK?"

    No one expects Ireland to join that alliance, given that our support for nuclear non-proliferation makes us incompatible with Nato. Ireland needs to find its own path: investing in European security and defence measures. Boosting the size of the army might help bring back home some of the pride we have in our peacekeeping troops abroad.

    On foot of February’s defence commission report, plans are under way to boost Irish military spending, in particular a new radar system. But once we can see threats approaching, what then? Even 21 years after Joe Jacobs’s car crash radio interview about iodine tablets, scorn is no protection against the growing threats we face. Touring some of Europe’s non-aligned capitals, past and present, it is clear that the burden of proof is shifting and Ireland needs to shift too.

    Those who want to spend more so Ireland can defend itself are not warmongers; those in Ireland who oppose investment in defence are peace squanderers.

    It should set alarm bells ringing when even Sweden realises that old traditions are no longer enough for a safe future. The Swedes have decided to grow up, now it is our turn.

    Anyone who views defence like tap water – a public service that should be available at no cost, on demand, at point of use – needs to explain how exactly, their do-nothing emergency plans will work. What, they should tell us, will Ireland will do, if..

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/derek-scally-what-could-ireland-do-if-faced-by-external-threat-of-war-1.4881129



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    When they say Irish Security Services i wonder do they mean Garda C&S or Defence Forces G2 or maybe both



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Are we going to have another ERU V ARW debate in the media

    On a side note waterfordd whispers had a very funny take on this today

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/taoiseach-aiming-make-trip-ukraine-27295434



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    Whatever A/C we need, we must avoid selecting almost big enough or just short on range. I'm sure the Air Corps will decide on a suitable transport compatible with their runway. Our track record in keeping assets operable is inglorious when you consider the demands we hear for tracking aerial intruders and not having Mil Primary or secondary radars. We had the lot on P31 in 1986, plus a full flight deck with workshop and overhead X/Y cranes. The Services for some reason killed the capability off with NOT a whimper from those responsible for the defence of the State. There is often a clash between operational needs and seemingly budgetary plus technical convenience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    An Uber may need to be sent to Mali

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/06/24/doubts-arise-about-future-role-of-defence-forces-in-troubled-mali-mission/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Well if SAR and HEMS are not military issues i am pretty sure helping people get on there hoildays is not

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0628/1307300-dublin-airport-army/



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭sparky42


    It isn’t, but somehow the Minister that wants the Barracks has managed to complain enough for it. Want to bet that DAA or Transport won’t be paying anything extra for this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭sparky42


    The Dutch OPV Zeeland had a fire last night while in drydock, wonder how bad the full damage is?

    https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Brand-aan-boord-Zeeland-040722.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The ERU member protecting Mr Martin looking like s henchman out of a Liam Nelason movie

    I wish we had that type of guard on normal patrol in the town near where i live

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0706/1308666-micheal-martin-ukraine/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Looks like the ARW made the trip as well if you look at the Sky news Photos

    https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-news-live-lysychansk-donetsk-putin-12541713



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Are the blokes in GREEN ARW? WHAT ABOUT THE GUY IN COMBAT GEAR AND MACHINE GUN ETC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster




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  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    According to Irish Examiner his security was provided by camo'ed Garda members with auto personal weapons and other combat necessaries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Or members of the Defence Forces on tempoary loan to AGS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Or it could fall under the Criminal Law Act, 1976 as you mentioned before can be used




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Either way, you'll never know precisely and thats how it should be.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    4 new PESCO participations approved.

    - Cyber Threats and Cyber Incident Response information sharing

    - Deployable Disaster Relief Capabilities (civil protection mechanism)

    - Special Operations Forces - Joint Medical Training Centre

    - Maritime Autonomous / Semi-autonomous Systems for Mine Countermeasures

    No doubt will be characterised in certain quarters as tantamount to signing the North Atlantic Treaty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭sparky42


    It already has been (along with PESCO being the EU Army of course), just look at the Daíl transcripts of the “debate”, all the usual suspects with the usual BS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    How naive of me to think it wouldn't even take this long.



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    We have been among the 25 members of PESCO for some time and have had staff embedded in EU Defence agencies. Mine countermeasures is a step in the right direction. It is a Belgian led project so we will have to travel as we are too far from centralised training in EU. As well as these show pieces we need to up grade the remaining 6 ships with a bolt on Defence system. We have had happy relationship with SIMRAD so I would suggest we fit a SIMBAD R.C. Mistral system on each ship for AD and FB attack, The Mistral is faster and more powerful than stinger types. We were promised further spend at the Naval base today and a renaming to Irish NAVY.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    All sounds very positive.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    When the Beckett were bought it was said that they could launch drones. Were these ever supplied with the ships? Not seen or heard of em since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    'The future's bright, the future's Navy.'

    Cabhlach na hÉireann - súil eile.



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    What I want to see is that all ships are fitted in the first instance with relevant defensive armament such as the SIMRAD missile system using MISTRAL missiles. We have worked with Simrad on the Compass and stabilisation for gunnery during P31 construction. Their unit is SIMBAD R.C. Mistral. It covers air defence and fast boats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its a great system, compact, simple, rugged, anti-air and anti-surface, easy to plumb in to the Navy's existing fire control IT, effective against all but major surface combatants.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Exactly!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Looks like the bizzo to me! Bring it on...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    This bit when you read the article

    The 15-person vessel is in the concept and assessment phase and is scheduled to launch in 2024. It will be capable of launching undersea drones which then monitor undersea cables.

    A Department of Defence spokesman said there are currently no plans for the Irish and British governments to co-operate on the project.

    Its only a concept plan and they havent said they would be in irish waters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,597 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Even if they did operate in Irish EEZ waters, so what?



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    It is time to evaluate what can we do , Service by Service. On the navy side we reached certain peace time capabilities such as much use of drones at height and distance to show self manoeuvring for PR, and continuing support to Civil agencies such as SFPA and ICG. All our main guns have optronic control with auto loading and optronic tracking. Everything else is eyeball local control for engagement less then 2000m and 1000m. The main guns have 5nm or better depending on the inputs to FCS. Eithne was the only one with Laser RF and an ability to fire blind on ball marker bearing and range.

    This is a crucial time. what we need at sea is and adaption of existing tonnage and impending MRV, OR add specialist ships for ASW, MCM, and AD. Extra vessels will require New Naval planning for manpower, training, Supports, Bases, and cross fleet training with others. Take into account the requirements also to man two Lakes and 4 Coastal M.B's. In the interim with laid up ships for disposal and new tonnage arriving the base will be overcapacity requiring definite agreed , planned permanent action by Defence.



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