General British politics discussion thread

10000maniacs · 07-07-2022 9:55am

Dominic Cummings is tweeting now that Dominic Raab should be appointed interim PM today.

The blind tweeting about the blind. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Just highlights how very few decent options the Tories have.

breezy1985 · 07-07-2022 10:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302710#Comment_119302710

Cummings would only back someone who was going to do something for him.

amacca · 07-07-2022 10:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302615#Comment_119302615

Heseltine on sky thinks he will try to push through as many changes as he can in that time to bolster his position/have another go/cling to power

He wants him out now and the deputy to take over

ancapailldorcha · 07-07-2022 10:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302413#Comment_119302413

This is the same paper that portrayed the working class English as mere hooligans, thieves and petty criminals. It has no principles beyond sowing societal division for profit.

The UK might lack ready access to firearms but its got its share of disaffected and violent young men. I don't think it's polarised enough for a coup a la the 6th January though primarily because Brexit is an idea and not a man. We've had 2 MP's murdered in the past 6 years. I'm not worried but nor am I sanguine about it.

BlitzKrieg · 07-07-2022 10:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302615#Comment_119302615

He wants to stay on so he is not a loser PM and actually lasted longer then Theresa May.

Akrasia · 07-07-2022 10:54am

Whatever about his reasons for wanting to stay, Its mad that someone could be left in as PM for Months when they've already been fired when if you were the CEO of a company or even a mid level office worker, you'd be put on 'garden leave' as there is a risk to allow disgruntled employees maintain access to sensitive information and keep executive powers

Johnson has been sacked for being almost uniquely self serving and contemptuous of his responsibilities as Prime Minister, allowing him to remain with his cabinet of ghouls so they can bring in more hateful legislation and give away billions more of GBP to cronies knowing that he'll get away with it..

He needs to be sent scurrying and to stick in a caretaker PM who has no ambitions to be party leader to see out the election campaign.

awec · 07-07-2022 11:01am

I don't understand how he can possibly stay on until October. He has no authority anymore, how is he going to whip MPs who know he's a lame duck?

Who is going to want to be appointed to the cabinet under a PM in this situation, it's all downside and no upside. You get associated with this mess of a government, and you're certain to lose your job in a few months.

Mr.Nice Guy · 07-07-2022 11:17am

It's good that he's seemingly on the way out the door but there are still plenty of problems. If he stays, he could do plenty of damage in the short-term, and could try and find some way to cling on; if he goes, we're probably looking at Raab as caretaker PM. This is the guy who was a staunch defender of all the antics Johnson has gotten up to. 'Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.'

Also plenty of dire PM successors from our point of view as it relates to the protocol: Truss has shown she will bend to the ERG. Baker IS the ERG, and with his other views would fit in well with the Republican party.

I thought May's government couldn't be worse for instability and incompetence but I was wrong. I wouldn't be sure things will improve much if at all. As Heseltine said the other night, Brexit is the cancer within the party. It's gobbled up three PMs by the looks of it and there might be more on the menu.

CrabRevolution · 07-07-2022 11:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302916#Comment_119302916

You'd imagine there's some "Convention" that Parliament won't push through any major legislation under a doomed PM?

Igotadose · 07-07-2022 11:26am

Fabricant for the lulz

10000maniacs · 07-07-2022 12:02pm

Many Tory's on the media listing his achievements now. Top of the list is getting Brexit done.

Why?

1: It's not done. All based on lies. Wasn't oven ready. The cause of the UK breaking international law. Biggest con job on the UK population in living memory.

2: It will be the MAIN cause of the imminent recession that Britain will go through over the coming months and years.

pixelburp · 07-07-2022 12:06pm

Angela Rayner laying into the nonsense of Johnson sticking around; trigger warning, she let her hair fall loose, the harlot! I always find it very jarring when these stirring speeches are made, then the camera cuts to a wide shot & the Common (or Dáil) is pretty much empty.

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1544987642848284675

bob mcbob · 07-07-2022 12:20pm

According to the press, the new chancellor Zahawi was investigated 2 years ago by the national crime agency

The NCA said it was seeking information on multi-millionaire Mr Zahawi’s finances, the source explained. The investigation was codenamed “Operation Catalufa” and reportedly involved the agency’s International Corruption Unit.

https://newsbeezer.com/uk/nadhim-zahawi-the-finances-of-the-new-chancellor-are-being-secretly-investigated-by-the-national-crime-agency/

ancapailldorcha · 07-07-2022 12:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303408#Comment_119303408

It is done. Has been for years.

The problem is that the party is braindead so they're exhuming it because it's their only option. We have a trade deal, an accord on fiscal obligations and the NI protocol. It's not what anyone voted for but it was always going to be this way.

As always, the 21st century Tories are putting party before country.

Mr.Nice Guy · 07-07-2022 12:35pm

He's said in his statement that he is staying as caretaker PM until a new leader is found.

A Dub in Glasgo · 07-07-2022 3:30pm

So he is not gone, he has no authority and the most do not want him to be there - Democracy UK style

or is he staying for the summer because of this

https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1545044250416410626

10000maniacs · 07-07-2022 4:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303546#Comment_119303546

It's only done because the EU took Johnson's signature at face value. And it's still possible, perhaps probable that it will end up as a WTO hard Brexit if the newly elected UK Prime Minister will carry on with their current route of unilaterally watering down the Protocol.

ancapailldorcha · 07-07-2022 4:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304745#Comment_119304745

We'll see. Watering down the protocol means both work and consequences, two things which are anathema to modern Tories. That's before the EU retaliates with something spicier than the British losing out on Horizon funding.

Nobody outside Westminster and the Tory part cares one way or another about either the protocol or Northern Ireland. They're just pawns.

pixelburp · 07-07-2022 4:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304532#Comment_119304532

This reads entirely believable based on the man we know Boris Johnson shows himself to be. As always with these things; eat the rich.

Orion402 · 07-07-2022 5:26pm

"Our brilliant and Darwinian system will produce another leader," Boris

" On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" Charles Darwin, 1859

A less favoured 'race' looks like this-

" Given a land originally peopled by a thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts- and in a dozen generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that remained. In the eternal 'struggle for existence,' it would be the inferior and less Favoured Race that had prevailed- and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its faults and narrower brain. " Charles Darwin, Descent of Man, 1871

I suspect that few here would appreciate how the self-deception among the Victorian academics still remains with us in a disruptive way through their politicians.

breezy1985 · 07-07-2022 7:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304532#Comment_119304532

It reminds me of that weird US system of letting the voted out president stay in office for 2 months

Nody · 07-07-2022 8:54pm

For those that missed it Steve Bray has got his speaker back and got a challenge from Hugh Grant on providing suitable background music to what was going on...

https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1544997955878486016

Capt'n Midnight · 07-07-2022 10:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302111#Comment_119302111

The argument that we must do everything a Minister demands because he has been democratically chosen does not stand up to close inspection. MPs are not chosen by the people -- they are chosen by their local constituency party, i.e. thirty-five men in grubby raincoats or thirty-five women in silly hats. The further selection process is equally a nonsense: there are only 630 MPs and a party with just over 300 MPs forms a government -- and of these 300, 100 are too old and too silly to be ministers, and 100 too young and too callow. Therefore there are about 100 MPs to fill 100 government posts. Effectively no choice at all.

Yes Minister - Episode_Three:_The_Economy_Drive - 1980

Boris had more than 300MPs to choose from.

ancapailldorcha · 07-07-2022 11:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304771#Comment_119304771

Ian Dunt said today that we deserve a "better class of b*stards". It's a glib remark but I think the party has truly ossified to the point where it has no ideas and is devoid of debate, intellect, hard work and talent. It has the political muscle memory (and media allies) that enables it to win elections but that's it.

The Chequers wedding thing is almost unbelievable. Part of me wants Johnson to really go to town on the constitution and show how pathetic a construct it really is.

farmerval · 07-07-2022 11:49pm

This is a dangerous time. Will what's left of the one nation wing of the Tories be able to unite behind one candidate, or will the hard right get two right wing nut jobs as the final two, possibly with both trying to out Brexit each other.

After Boris and Patel et al, it feels like trying to be an even bigger b******ks will be the defining quality to win the leadership.

20silkcut · 08-07-2022 6:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119306779#Comment_119306779

Im getting flash backs of Lord of the flies from my school days. That would support the idea of a B***cks followed by an even bigger B****cks.

The only positive is that Brexit support has dropped ten per cent in the last year. Surely a move to some form of pragmatism is the only option here.

rock22 · 08-07-2022 7:53am

From the actions of MPs and ministers in the past few days, it is clear that Boris Johnson has lost the confidence of the majority of the house of commons even if there has been no formal vote.

But the person in power in the UK now Is Boris Johnson. And the government in place is the government he nominated yesterday. I am unsure if the Queen has to give these minister their seals of office( as in Ireland) but they are in place.

Is the UK still a parliamentary democracy? Is the government in situ the legitimate government of the UK? Are foreign countries expected to deal with these ministers nominated by Johnson?

If this happened in a south American country it would be reported as a coup. But there seems little outrage in the media at such a coup at the centre of power in the UK.

I am honestly startled at the lack of action of the members of parliament in defending democracy.

Akrasia · 08-07-2022 8:10am

That's a bit OTT. There is a long history of ousted PMs remaining as caretakers while their replacement is selected.

It's silly but it's not a coup

ancapailldorcha · 08-07-2022 8:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119306779#Comment_119306779

I can't see it. They're a fringe element of the party now. Someone like Tom Tugendhat could make for a decent Tory leader but I think that Sunak and Truss are in much better positions to push for the leadership.

breezy1985 · 08-07-2022 8:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119306013#Comment_119306013

Fine little fk you now that Steve is back up and running.

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