Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

Well seeing as they’d like to reduce the beings formerly known as women to terms such as “chest feeders” or “womb havers” I think it’s relevant to the topic, seeing as many of those TRAs are at some point in their lives blessed with white male privilege and unaccustomed to the marginalization “womb havers” go through from birth. The kind of equality they are advocating for pushes “chest feeders” equality aside again.

Though I don’t remember getting into deep discussion with you about much tbf to deduce that we would normally agree or disagree on topics.

Honestly it only really bothers me when the trans lobby are trying to impinge on my rights and identity because any privilege I do have is simply not enough for them. Generally I find that the men I come across day to day are for the majority more aligned to my thinking anyway.

There's a difference between legal equality and a societal bias. Legally, men and women have equality, but in practice, partly due to biological issues (women are the only ones who can become pregnant), and partly due to to a perception that women are going to have a more involved role in raising children (e.g. will leave/take a career break after the arrival of children, will be more likely to take time off to look after a sick child, won't be able/willing to put in long hours when needed) there is a bias against hiring women in the workplace (this is most apparent for women in their late 20s/early 30s). If you ask the people who are hiring, the woman's sex had nothing to do with her not being hired, and they may even honestly believe that it had nothing to do with it.

After having children and attempting to return to work, women find that their time at home raising their children is written off as worthless by interviewers, instead of looking at the skills that have been developed and looking at how they can be transferred to use in employment.

This is before we get to issues like a girl's choice of underwear being used as a defence in a rape trial (Counsel for man acquitted of rape suggested jurors should reflect on underwear worn by teen complainant (irishexaminer.com)). Legally, men and women have equal rights to walk anywhere at night, but in practice, it is much safer for men than women. I know women who have been mugged, followed, raped, groped and had inappropriate comments shouted at them from when they were teenagers. I know very few men who have had anything like that. The only men I know who have been robbed in public, it has been pickpockets or grabbing phones out of their hands. This isn't as much an equality issue, as an observation that men's and women's experiences of life are, in some ways, very different. I think that this point is very relevant to the issue of trans rights, in that gender is a social construct, and is partially generated by experience. I have never experienced life as a woman, so it is very difficult for me to know what it feels like to be a woman, and it is impossible to prove/disprove if one's feelings are actually those of the opposite gender.

I would agree that choices are made that reduce opportunities, but sometimes opportunities are denied on the basis that a choice may be made that would be incompatible with the opportunity.

Yes, gender is a social construct and should have no basis in law. The law should be blind in how people are treated. It is although, in my opinion, acceptable for the law to discriminate on sex. There are some issues where biological differences are relevant, and should be legislated for.

Equality has two parts - one is that, legally, everyone is treated the same. We have that. The other part is in what society deems acceptable. I have never been wolf-whistled at. I have never been groped on public transport. But there are sections of society that consider it normal to wolf-whistle at women and to grope women. Look at the furore there was over the Gilette ad that was an "attack on men." Regardless of how equal we make society "legally", if people feel enabled to treat people they don't know so unequally, based on their sex, then society isn't actually equal.

If Johnny wants to chop his bits off and be called Mary, then go ahead, but Mary shouldn't expect the law to treat her any differently, and she should acknowledge that to that point society has seen and treated her as male, and that she cannot expect to actually understand what someone growing up female has experienced. She will also, going forward from that point, not experience life the same as someone born female. No matter how much surgery she has or how well she can do her hair and makeup, there are skeletal differences that effect things as simple as gait that make someone stand out as different. She should still be treated with respect, but shouldn't demand that society pretends she was born in a female body. In the same way as gay, lesbian and bisexual people accept that they are different from the statistical norm, transgender people should embrace that difference instead of demanding that society change its definitions of "normal". Cis- is a tautological prefix, in that its meaning is basically that I am as I appear to be.

TRAs don't want any discussion about differences. They want to muddy the waters, and will never respond to a question as straightforward as "what does it mean to you to be male/female?" (It's not a question that has a wrong answer.) They say that we should treat men and transmen as the same and women and transwomen as the same. But we shouldn't. Biologically, men and transmen are not the same; women and transwomen are not the same. Everyone should have the same rights, with the only differences in treatment being for biological reasons.

The reality is a trans woman is legally recognised as a woman.

What was the nature of the ‘media partnership’ ?

Pride are not a state body so why should they have access to a media partnership with RTE and its resources, our state broadcaster ?

obviously the work done by RTE on their behalf is partly funded by money paid to rte via our TV license…

odd… That pride would have been of the ability to acquire an ‘in’ into rte, dozens if not hundreds of man hours… without a single cent presumably being paid..

Go to the RTÉ website, just use the search function, search pride…. Weekly articles sometimes…

all driven by a ‘media partnership’.

the state broadcaster should not be of the ability to be leaned on in this manner, used in this manner. News and state media should be independent of any influence of from groups like pride..

The penis, not known if male or female, accidentally slipped into the male vagina?

It’s a lot to take in 😂😂