Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Fascinating to see how the Beacon managed to operate profitable billboards on Council owned land for twenty years, despite safety risks to traffic.

Article is from yesterday's Sunday Times.

It’s odd that the sign went up on public property, I’d love to know how that came about.

I’m not sure I buy the road safety reason though. There are billboards all over the city, some of them near major junctions and no one is calling for their removal.

As per reports to the Councillors at various meetings in May and June, the Council aren't going to close George's Street Lower at all this summer.

They have undertaken to prepare a detailed 'Part 8' proposal to be published around October, containing solutions to all the issues raised by this assessment report and by stakeholders. This will go to public consultation with a view to having a plan agreed for Summer 2023.

In the meantime, the approved Part 8 to do the full improvement on Myrtle Square and Convent Lane will go to construction.

Its worth noting that at the abovementioned Meetings, Councillors expressed serious concerns about the bus services and misgivings from many businesses not involved in hospitality, which will not easily be addressed by any full closure of Gs Street to traffic.

I certainly will be fighting to keep the street open to limited traffic; buses, taxis, cycles and delivery vehicles. I believe there will be more than enough safe public realm space in the area, in what has already been approved, without the unacceptable consequence of removing bus services from the Hospital and Bloomfields, where they are needed most by those who can do without them the least.

Yeah let's just wait for the Part 8 shall we? The Councillors will hear directly from stakeholders, in no uncertain terms.

I read the report of course, but I did notice on social media that even some zealots described the findings of the report, around traffic volumes and displacement, as not reflecting the "lived experience".

And really, you can have too many public realm spaces, attractive or otherwise, if they take away public transport services from those that most need them and where they need them the most.

There's many a pedestrianised shopping area in towns across the UK that are basically derelict. Not only because of pedestrianisation, certainly, but it does demonstrate that its no panacea either.

Regarding those UK pedestrianised areas, I think the world needs to learn that going forward, they will need to get out of their cars and walk for a few metres instead of being able to drive right up to the door. People are realising that towns belong to them, not cars, and thus are demanding that what's currently road space is reallocated more fairly. Look at how successful it has been in Paris in such a short time.

Before anyone jumps in, of course the elderly and disabled will need to be catered for, but because someone once needed to collect a piano from a shop, allegedly, doesn't mean it happens every day or needs to be allowed.

Bit difficult to cater for the elderly and less mobile while closing the main street to the public transport they rely on at the places they rely on it the most.

Your Piano analogy is correct, but its not an impactful issue. There is more than enough car parking close to that stretch of George's Street to cater for all private business, this will be all about buses and will pass or fail on that basis.

How do the elderly manage to get to Lwr George's Street in the first place given if using the 46a/63/75 they'd be dumped at the DART Station or at the Shopping Centre if using the 7/a in one direction or both directions on the 45a/59/111.

Okay but on the 7/a, 45a, 59 or 111 they'd have to walk

Not possible if travelling southbound if travelling towards Sallynoggin/Ballybrack/ Loughlinstown/Killiney/Dalkey they'd have to walk to Marine Road or Upr George's Street.

Doesn't mean life is easy for them.

Why would the calculus be based on first disregarding options for the least able? In fact, accessibility policy for the public realm demands the opposite.

Would love to know how many elderly or disabled people are getting the bus to or from Michael's hospital every day. You'd swear from some of the comments on here there's hundreds...

There's a mobile sign at the bottom of Monkstown Ave., it's facing you as you come off the roundabout beside the CBC college to drive up towards the leisure centre and says that there will be major roadworks commencing August 8th. Does anyone have any info on the scope of this project? Wondering if any local roads will be closed or should be avoided for a few weeks.

On the broader issue of DLR roadworks, is there anywhere you can look up planned roadworks? I've tried in the past and except for major projects that went to tender, it seems to be impossible to find notices for upcoming roadworks. You'd expect roadworks planned for the next couple of months to be flagged at the website below but it's very light on detail...

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/travel-transport/road-maintenance

it looks like there was a car fire at the junction of Elton Park and Castlepark Road, which seems to have caused damage to the road and the verge.

I presume the council will claim off the drivers third party insurance and repair the road, it is a bit of a mess at the moment.