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  • 07-07-2022 2:23pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 945 ✭✭✭


    Family gathering at weekend. Following it, three people tested positive for covid. The organiser of this gathering kept it all very hush hush and told nobody.

    I know the fear factor is gone with covid and the rules are less strict. However, surely one deserves to be told if they were in close proximity people who have tested positive for covid?

    Post edited by Ten of Swords on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,468 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    meh

    how do you know it was the get together or that the "organiser" kept it hush hush?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Close contacts no longer need to isolate and contact tracing is a thing of the past.

    Covid is now another virus that's become part of life, if anyone is still paranoid about it their only real option to avoid it is to stay at home. I wouldn't think twice about it at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    That's true for many people, but the elderly are still vunerable. It'll likely take you out of work for a week, so it's still a serious thing. I don't see the need for hush hush though, there's no stigma to getting Covid, but you should still isolate if you're testing positive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 945 ✭✭✭WhiteWalls


    I'm just simply disappointed that I didn't get so much as a text. Not even taking myself into consideration but my partner works with very ill people daily and we're just both upset with how they've dealt with it.


    Anyway it all passed off and nobody has gotten properly sick it seems. Just want people's opinions to see am I being dramatic about it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Influenza kills people every year and can have you out of work for a week or longer too. Eventually the advice to get tested if you have Covid symptoms will be scrapped too. We need to live with it, not in fear of it. Get the booster if you're vulnerable, wear a mask if you want, but the days of frantically contacting everyone if someone tests positive are gone. There was enough hysteria in the last 2 years, time to move on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    We all know Covid is still here, we all know numbers are high, we all know that there is a risk of infection in a group setting.

    Even if you partner knew she was a close contact she would still be required to go to work so I don't really see the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Anyone who’s covid positive and isn’t keeping to themselves is a prick. Especially at this time of year.

    Same goes for anyone bringing a chicken pox kid “out and about” while they’re infectious.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    Seriously, what is the problem? They don't do a covid test before you're admited to hospital for a procedure. Nobody is requested to take a covid test to enter this country. If you're triple vaccinated what are you afraid of? Most people aren't going to pay 50 euro to go to their GP for a sick note for work, especially those who don't get sick pay and would have to claim social welfare for the days they're off. I had covid and my husband didn't get it. Seriously people, move on already it was a huge global overreaction to shut the world down and anyone hoping for another lockdown is out of luck. It's a head cold now with possibly a cough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭I Blame Sheeple


    So what you're saying is, it's just the flu?

    Imagine someone said that out loud two years ago.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007



    Even two years ago a flu was not something to be ignored by vulnerable people and that has not changed, another one was just added. Most families have a granny or a granddad who would be better off avoiding either of them. So allowing this to propagate in a family is not to be recommended. But of course with some people it's all about themselves.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭I Blame Sheeple


    Ah give it a rest, Jim. We're not all as serious as you with your big fancy lawyer career and all a that malark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,125 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Whats wrong with bringing chicken pox children out?

    Its far safer to expose other children to chicken pox at that age, if they dont get it as a child theyre at much greater risk when they get old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,835 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Thank you doctor.

    I suspect most parents of healthy children would strongly disagree, and rightly so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭feelings


    Yes, you're being dramatic.

    Be the hero After Hours deserves, not the one it needs right now...



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    Come off it. People need to move on with life. The flu jab is available to everyone, many OAPs don't bother with it. I don't recall the elderly being advised to hide indoors, avoid all human contact and stay away from public transport because of the flu. For most people Covid was harmless, so harmless that many didn't even know they had it. So many lonely elderly people living alone went through so much fear and hardship and isolation for what? For nothing. People boasting about leaving their elderly widowed parents alone over Easter/Christmas as if they were doing them some sort of favour.

    A huge amount of damage was done to elderly people with all the scaremongering and it's disgraceful. 2 years were spent filling people's heads with fear and dread and paranoia which was totally unnecessary. 24 hours a day, hour after hour on the news, story after story on the radio and in the newspapers constant adverts all ramping up the fear and then suddenly it ended and people were told to get on with their lives and many can't or won't move on. To this day I see people of all ages walking alone around my town wearing face masks. It's insane and immoral the way the whole farce was handled.

    We had an apartheid system here when it came to hospitality, even this year people wanted anyone without a booster to be excluded from indoor hospitality. We've had the guts of 50,000 people arrive in the last 6 months most of them unvaccinated and none of them told to isolate. So give it a rest with the 'some people it's all about themselves'. Insanity calling for Paddy to isolate when non Irish can swan in regardless. Paddy is done now, anyone that feels at risk can stay home and lock themselves away, the rest of us will get on with living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    It’s would ruin a good chunk of the summer holidays. Last thing you’d want when you’ve got holiday “plans”.

    Covid could ruin them too. Only a truly selfish person would, knowingly, pass either onto, unsuspecting, others.

    There’s also a vaccine against chicken pox now so those “pox parties” of the 80’s are a thing of the past.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,125 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Why would it ruin someone's summer holidays unless they chose to stay inside? There's nothing stopping you from going outside and enjoying yourself be it with chickenpox or covid. You could be infectious with both and never know it too sure.

    Chicken pox vaccines are only recommended if you have immunocompromised relatives, like parents undergoing chemo who you shouldnt put at risk. For all other situations let the children party

    Only a truly selfish person would, knowingly, pass either onto, unsuspecting, others.

    Learn to use commas! You type like William Shatner speaks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    That's all very noble, but how many employers will appreciate their staff taking days on end off because they have a communicable disease? How many employees can afford to take unpaid leave if their employer doesn't pay for sick leave?

    Should be all stay at home every time we have a headcold? Chances are we'd be shedding the virus before we developed symptoms anyway. There's no need to live in fear unless you're immunocompromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I would imagine a lot of employers would appreciate their staff taking days off due to COVID. Look at the havok that outbreaks have caused in many sectors.

    I don't want to work beside someone who has COVID. Why would anyone?

    There are a lot of childish and irresponsible comments on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The post I responded to mentioned flu. The current advice is still to isolate for 7 days if you have Covid.

    How many employers do you think will appreciate it when that's lifted?



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    I don't think sending a few texts is a particularly big ask. Some at the gathering might have visited with elderly parents soon after. A simple text might have given them pause as to whether to visit or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Pretty obvious when someone is infectious with chicken pox. And, while many have no symptoms with covid others are, laid up, in bed for a few days.

    I’d be, fairly, “ticked off” if one of my kids caught chicken pox, or covid, from someone who knew, full well, they were riddled with it.

    They’re in summer camps and have a holiday booked. Lousy behaviour to be going around infecting people, ruining their plans, just because you didn’t want to miss a party.

    And that’s just the “inconveniences”, would be far more dangerous to be, knowingly, infecting an old, or immunocompromised, person.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    They don't. My husband worked through the whole thing. He couldn't socially distance in his old job and he was fine. Where he works now has changed their policy on Covid, they see it as any other illness. Lots of people have it all over the country, it's little more than a cold and tear and stay home and isolate away if you get to stay home on full company sick pay but a huge number of people can't do that because they don't get company sick pay.

    A lot of people don't even know they have it. If I hadn't been in hospital, where I picked it up incidentally, I wouldn't have even done a covid test because it seemed like a cold. People need to let go of the paranoia. If you've a cold you don't stay off work because if you ring your employer saying you've a cold and you can't come in it's considered unacceptable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    I'm an immunocompromised person. I don't expect anybody to mask up around me or take extra precautions. I didn't and won't hide away in fear of Covid. I've had Covid, it was no big deal. My parents had the booster, their reactions to the boosters were worse than my Covid systems. My health is my own responsibility nobody else's. I haven't had a booster. I won't have a booster. I'm done with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Lie la lie, lie la lie la lie la lie Lie la lie, lie la lie la lie la lie, la la lie.

    Jesus but I’ve had ‘The Boxer’ by Simon and Garfunkel stuck in my head.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,468 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    It won't likely take you out of work for a week..

    It'll maybe take an extreme minority out of work for a week.

    Post edited by lawred2 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,468 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I wouldn't. It happens routinely that kids catch chickenpox in communal settings. There's usually not a witch-hunt as a result.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    When that is all you got you really got nothing at all. Even your assumptions about me are wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    You're expecting humans to not be selfish! Ahahahahahahahahaha!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    I think the future looksas if its likely most people will get covid, if you get it isolate for 1 week, obviously people over 60 or people with preexisting conditions should be shielded and take extra precautions , at this point the vax rate 96 per cent

    I'm not a medical expert just my opinion at this point there should be no stigma in getting it most people cannot stay at home or avoid being near strangers everyday

    Many people have stopped wearing masks unless they are going to a place that requires one

    I go to shops i put on mask i don't dine inside cafes I don't go to pubs I think everyone should get boosted why take a chance unless you get it you don't really know how bad it can be even if you have been vaccinatted

    I think your reaction depends on your age your metabolism levels of vitamin d are you in generally good health not overweight immune system various factors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    If a woman is at the early or late stages of pregnancy and is exposed to chicken pox, it can be fatal for the foetus if the mother has little or no immunity. Being tested for varicella virus immunity is part of the blood work done in pregnancy, so it's serious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Hospitals do a covid test on admission.

    Take for example, a cancer patient going for surgery to remove a tumour. If covid is contracted before or during admission for a major operation to remove said tumour, the recommendations are that surgery is not to be undertaken for 7 weeks after a positive result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,125 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    You said it yourself the mother is tested, and can be vaccinated if they do not have existing immunity. So its a non-issue.

    As for spreading colds and flus etc, if we all collectively got really good at infection controls and did the right thing, people's immune systems would be worse off for it - plenty of studies show that catching infections improves your immune system, and can also be linked to better likelihood of not developing certain types of cancers. Remember that your immune system is not just for external threats but internal too, cancerous cells are routinely killed by your immune system, its those that arent caught that go on to develop into clinical diagnoses of cancer. Your immune system needs stimulation, living in a sterile world is not good for you.

    Sure after covid lockdowns and the reduced social contact everyone had, when people started mixing again there were waves of "the worst cold ever" and other similar infections - the reason? because we had stopped being exposed to these things for a long time as a result of lockdowns.



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    I had surgery a month ago, the bit about a Covid test pre admission was scribbled out as it's no longer done. I did have a Covid test for a procedure in a different hospital earlier in the year so it may be a recent change. I was swabbed for bacteria such as MRSA but that was it. Cancer patients are different, they have no immune system when they start chemo, even dental work has to be done before they start. My mother went through surgeries and chemo and she had lots of Covid tests and her temperature taken before she was even allowed into the building for treatment. But no, in my experience anyway, hospitals aren't testing elective surgery patients for Covid. Why would they? It's endemic in our hospitals at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    I think part of the problem is that a lot of people who were able to work from home want to continue working from home. But without Covid hysteria to back that up employers want them to get off the couch and back to the office and they ain't a bit happy about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭wildwillow


    Knowledge is power. Lots of people need to be careful of coming into contact with various diseases and can make their own decision when they know the risk is there. Otherwise isolation is their only solution.

    Many moons ago when my son was undergoing cancer treatment we were kept informed of every sneeze in his siblings playschool and school. It meant that they missed over three months in school while chicken pox made its way slowly around the classes. Vaccine for chicken pox wasn't readily available. Also every child in their classes availed of the newly introduced Measles vaccine which the local health board made available before the general roll out.

    So please inform people if you are ill and let them react as it suits them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    If that juvenile comment was aimed at me it is just another example of what an obnoxious poster you are. I've had a compromised immune system for many years. I have treatment that makes me vulnerable to things, that's just life, I'm an adult and I make my own choices. I'm popping you onto ignore as you have nothing to contribute except insults and an opposite opinion to every topic. It must be sad to go through life needing so much confrontation to affirm yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Anybody saying covid is just like the flu is an idiot. Long covid is real. The flu doesn't do that and you don't have to have some immunity problem to get long covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    The mother can be tested yes, and if immunity has run out there is only a certain time frame in which the varicella vaccine can be given, and not as simple as an injection when pregnant. If a mother is already pregnant before testing for immunity and happens to come in contact with a child with Cp, as aleady stated, it can be fatal or have serious complications to the foetus.

    Letting a someone out and about in public crowded areas with chicken pox is thoughtless and unkind. To everyone. And it can be a fairly nasty experience, spots aside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    My partner was operated on this week, cancer. Was swabbed twice before the procedure. Covid is still a huge risk to vulnerable.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    People are saying it's a virus like anything else so just get on with it. NO. If I can avoid a cold/flu/covid actively I will. The responsibility to stay away from people when carrying an infectious disease is still a responsibility to be taken seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,468 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    And you are free to take that responsibility as seriously as you like.

    But you can't expect everyone else to do that for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    So I presume if you've ever had a hacking cough, snotty nose and sore throat you would just see fit to keep coughing, snorting and spreading whatever you had. Right so.

    No one suggests people start isolating again, but a little cop on and consideration to others so they don't catch each others virus' should always be good decent practice, not blatant disregard for others to spread whatever the illness is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I've had all that and pre Covid was expected to go to work. Taking sick leave was only intended for times when you're so unwell you're physically unable to work.

    Do people genuinely think all hospitals, Garda stations, schools, shops and businesses should shut down because there's a cold doing the rounds and too many staff are keeping their germs to themselves to the point they can't function?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Most certainly a medical person is asked not to attend work during blatent sickness, teachers and school children have always been asked not to attend schools ever before covid. Creches always sent sick children home. You're living in a dream world where you think people didn't tolerate sickness pre covid!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    I suppose I have empathy for people and recognise people's health struggles. Laugh all you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It's got nothing to do with empathy. Find one pre Covid example of a hospital or school that closed down because staff were sent home with a cold. Not even an entire one, but one where whole year groups were sent home from school and parents had to leave work en masse to collect their children, and wards closed and patients discharged.

    In an ideal world everyone could stay at home if they're sick with a cold, but that has never been the reality. Covid won't change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Eh, the discussion was about a family gathering, not shutting down a school. My response was to the op post. I don't know why you've jumped to a whole other discussion which is silly. Maybe take a Xanax and chill!

    I bid you good day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    You're the one who claimed workers were always sent home. Bid me good day all you want, but you can't back up your BS.

    If you take a Xanax and chill, then go back and read the OP you'll find that the positive tests came after the family gathering. Chances are they were asymptomatic at the time.

    The current protocol is not to contact close contacts, and anyone who is genuinely worried about Covid should avoid gatherings. Covid is here, the current wave is predicted to peak next week, so if you or someone in your family is vulnerable you would avoid group situations. No point complaining when you realise someone you spent time with later tested positive.



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