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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    why they turn them off in high wind they destroy themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Yeah Germany is looking very foolish having shut down nuclear plants in favour of Putin`s gas, but at least they have recognised their mistakes and are now building LNG terminals, leasing others and exploring for oil and gas. They are even back to mining coal and are in negotiations with Columbia to purchase more. Here our green muppets, who for so long extolling us all too follow Germany, have banned exploration, are attempting to ban LNG and are keeping their fingers crossed our lack of energy security doesn`t blow up in their face along with E.U. fines for not being in compliance.

    If any other country attempts what Belgium is attempting then a lot more will be interested. France in particular would be interesting. If people think Belgian farmers are militant wait until the see French farmers if they become p**sed off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Are you saying we should just get all our energy needs through interconnectors ?

    You do realise don`t you that we have just two interconnectors, both with the U.K. The same U.K. that has an emergency plan to cut gas supplies to the E.U. should their own needs require it. They are hardly going to worry about keeping the lights on here either now are they.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Are they not the Eye-wateringly expensive ones.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    So The Greens will have to wind the necks in now and allow gas Exploration.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The idea behind extension leads is to buy surplus electricity from another jurisdiction when available and preferably cheaper that the domestic source. It's also an insurance policy that each jurisdiction uses to cover the fact they have been shutting down and dismantling reserve generation capacity they once had. What happens when there is no surplus generation capacity, because the old plant is not being maintained and shut down and every jurisdiction is blindly following the same policy at the behest of the EU and its army of lobbyists?

    Here is how the interconnectors work on the continent, focus on Germany, when surplus power from random energy generation is available it has to dump it in the grid at a cheap price and the neighbours buy it up, however, during peak demand in the evening German consumers need reliable power generation and that comes at a premium from Poland and Switzerland and the German electricity consumer gets to pay the highest electricity prices in Europe. (We are 4th highest price)

    The business plan for the enxtension lead to France, calls for surplus wind power generation in Ireland to be exported to France, except being unreliable wind generation cannot be be sold at a premium, it must be dumped at cheap rate. The turbine operators are not interested in making a loss, so who pays? We do.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    This. Should be printed and put on those huge billboards all around Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    A

    Good idea. That's one proven way to spread propaganda without any scrutiny

    Calling interconnectors 'extension leads' is not even close to the most misleading misinformed nonsense contained in that single post

    Large distributed networks containing multiple redundancies and rerouting paths are much more reliable than a single point of failure. The Internet for example is never 'down' while a LAN gets taken down by a tripped fuse



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Just goes to show how one country can learn from history while it`s neighbour does not.

    After the 1973 oil crisis France went with a programme of building nuclear power plants and now has 56 such plants that provide 75% of their electrical need. Germany learned nothing from the 1973 crisis and left themselves hostages to fortune with Putin`s gas. France are planning to build a further 14 such plants and push ahead with the development of small modular nuclear reactors. Germany are still talking about going ahead with shutting down their three remaining nuclear plants and are back burning coal to help fill the gap left by Putin`s gas.

    According to Forbes "Germany has already spent $150 billion on its climate change ambitions, principally for scaling up renewable power." You could build a lot of nuclear plants for $150 billion. 2021 41% of Germany`s electricity was from renewables. France had 75% from nuclear. Second half of 2021 according to Eurostat, electricity charges in Germany were 0.3234 euro per KwH, the second highest in the E.U. In France they were 0.2020 euro per KwH, 60% cheaper.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    What's the Redundancy for no energy spare ? and the internet is a Wan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    No energy spare? Peak demand is only a few hours a day. For the rest of the day there's excess capacity that is wasted. The current fossil fuel driven system is extremely inefficient both in capital and running costs



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Does any green supporters here know the price difference for industry such as pharmaceuticals, bakeries, creameries, food production etc etc to change from gas to electricity?

    The things we need to function day to day.

    Anyone?

    I won’t be holding my breath.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Excess due to green. You have to have power plants running for when they dont produce.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    How many electricity interconnectors do you think we have ?

    Far as I know we have one to the U.K., which for all the energy security it provides might as well be an extension lead, and one to France that only got planning permission 6 weeks ago and is at the very least, (based on green supporters estimated time for projects mentioned by others), 5 - 6 years before being operational.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    'At the very least' it's 2026 which is 4 years away



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    "there are many solutions to tackle the problem of heavy, fuel-hungry SUVs, but all require bold action from policymakers"

    "55,000 were sold in 2021 (nearly 55% of all new cars)"

    hmmmn during the same period SUVs rose to be 55% of the new car market emissions improved. From the same article:




  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭US3


    Protestants have 100 meter high towers of wood pallets and car tyres ready to burn next week and not a peep about emissions. 1 of these fires would give off more Co2 than my little car would in its lifetime.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    That interconnector only got planning permission 6 weeks ago with a projected completion date of 2026. When a completion date for anything greens do not like is mentioned here it`s " blah blah blah...it will take years more than that" so why should green projected green completion times be always spot on. In that spirit I`ll stick with the 5 -6 years if it`s all the same to you. 😀

    Not that it matters if it`s 4 years or 5 - 6 years. In the meantime we have just one interconnector which is as useful as an extension lead where energy security is concerned and one interconnector does not say much for your "Large distributed networks containing multiple redundancies and rerouting paths are much reliable than a single point of failure"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Maybe go up there and have a word with them if you're concerned?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You put 'At the least' 5-6 years. No, 'At the least' its 2026 which is the length of time the project is scheduled to take from this point forward. We are at the stage where all the designs and financing is agreed, finalised contracts are all agreed, impact assessments are complete. Construction can begin now that planning has been approved.

    The planning was a long and labourious process, for what was essentially a substation and some undersea cables

    Building a nuclear power station would take way way way longer than this project, given that it includes the kinds of infrastructure (high capacity power lines and sub stations) as well as all of the other stuff around nuclear and the inevitable objections to every stage of planning

    The same with a LNG terminal or a new offshore gas platform...gas pipelines take years to plan before it gets near to construction. We have gas infrastructure now, we might need another plant to tide us over but the focus should be on getting the long term renewable infrastructure in place because there is very little interest in white elephants that take a decade to plan and build and are obsolete before they've even come close to breaking even in their construction costs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Ha, I see we have dropped the move away from Gas as fast as possible now to tide us over. have we had a road to Damascus moment. IIRC Germany is going to be building lng pretty fast.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    We should go looking for shale gas. The graph is a schematic representation of geological basins with potential shale and shale gas potential in Europe.



    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭ps200306



    "gas pipelines take years to plan before it gets near to construction."

    We already have gas pipelines from the south coast. And there is gas offshore there too, covered by existing exploration licenses with people trying to develop them. Ryan's department took a year to approve a trivial seabed survey on one of them, a non-invasive sonar scan taking two days to complete. He really ought to be up front about his strategy -- he has decided the plebs can't be given any sniff of hydrocarbons in case they rebel against the hairshirt existence he has planned. Of course, that's not how he paints it, but that's where his cornucopian energy strategy is leading.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Oh but it's not in a Green context. If it's outside the EU it does not matter just like SA beef. NI is the UK's problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    It is starting. What is in your pot will be more important than some worry about co2.

    As farmers in The Netherlands continue their protests against government “green” initiatives that threaten to destroy agriculture and the food supply at large, they are now being joined by fellow farmers in Poland and Italy who face a similar plight under the heavy boot of government tyranny.

    Reports indicate that protests sprouted up in both countries this week to similarly challenge government regulations that make it next to impossible to grow food and make a living, let alone keep one’s farm solvent under the heavy weight of so many insurmountable restrictions.




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Shale gas would be an absolute catastrophe for Ireland. The beds are so near the surface that as soon as you frack them they would start to leak methane and chemicals into every water course and aquifer. They have so much fugitive emissions from every part of the process that they would undermine every effort we are making to reduce CO2. They are marginally economically viable as you require multiple wells at roughly 1km intervals to draw the same amount of gas as a conventional well, and they need multiple refracks at a few year intervals - each costing 100's of thousands to perform. The outcome would be an undermining of the agricultural sector - who sell themselves on a clean environment. The only people who make money out of shale gas are technology and chemicals companies who sell the whole ponzy scheme to the gullible.


    Anyone who advocates for shale shows their political tribalism because if they had have spent half an hour honestly assessing the available information on the techniques they would quickly realize that it cannot be rolled out in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Ireland has had to practically give away the rights to gas in all its territories simply to get anyone to even investigate its viability. Almost all such explorations have subsequently discovered that Irish gas is economically unviable - ie it cost more to extract than you can sell it for. The rare exception was corrib, a field that has not benefited the Irish state since it is sold on the international market and we have zero rights to the gas it produces. Companies are simply not interested in developing gas in Ireland.


    Gas is not viable in Ireland - whatever way you want to extract it.



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