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Somebody in my apartment block is stealing my post. Should I notify the guards?

  • 07-07-2022 6:52am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭


    Has this happened to anybody else? What did ye do?

    Very annoying. Stolen so far:

    1 pair of raybans gone.

    One expensive college textbook.

    Package of nail varnish from Amazon.

    The postman leaves it on top of the communal mailbox in the hall if it doesn't fit in my letterbox (not accessible to the public so one of my neighbors is stealing them)

    There's only about 10 apartments in the block.

    This is getting annoying now.

    Don't even know what the guy/girl will do with my college text book so it's probably in the bin already.

    Should I start notifying the guards? Or would they laugh me out of the station? I'm only friendly with 3 of the neighbors and they don't seem like the stealing type.

    I'd like to leave a printout up at the mail box and say the guards have been notified.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You could set them up. Put together a package with your details on it and then set one of those tiny discreet cameras up in the hallway area, if possible. Then you'll see who's been stealing your stuff and also have proof for the Guards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,051 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Or take a lead from another thread on here, put an air tag in a package and see where it goes.

    (Disclaimer, I never even heard of air tags before that thread, so not entirely sure how they work)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,202 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Mail yourself a parcel with Novichok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Sign up with Parcel Motel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Send yourself a TILE (key ring fob finder) then you can use your phone to find it.

    Also, do notify the post office and Guards - it a criminal offence to interfere with An Post and post in general.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭McGinniesta


    You can't get the guards out when your house gets robbed.

    They're not coming for your post box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭stephenmarr


    a massive glitter bomb package with an air tag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Glitter bomb was my first thought. Or bump it up a notch and use faeces instead of glitter. A shitter bomb. 😂💩🎁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    a communal mailbox?

    as in one big mailbox that everyone has a key to? 😶



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,932 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Play the long game on it OP.

    Firstly as said earlier, set em up by sending yourself a letter but have a camera hidden somewhere so you can see who's knicking yer post.

    Once established, begin sending yourself progressively more and more threatening letters, and let em take them. You know the ones like " I know what you did" using letters cut out of a newspaper or whatever. Go whole hog on it "I have your secret son/daughter/goldfish here, you have 10 days to hand over 10,000 quid or elss i hand them over to the Russian". Randomly meet them in hall, be sure to be upset. Ask them for a loan here n there.

    See can you hit a nerve on their moral compass at all.

    If not, move out without telling anyone (as in other tenents) or leaving a forward address. Put the shyts up them. They may run to the police and declare you missing.

    And how they did know you were being harassed? Because they stole your mail.

    Boom.

    Cuff em boys.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,222 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You might as well tell Joe Duffy as the Gardai, at least he’ll give you more of an ear…

    Have you tried speaking to the management company regarding CCTV ? With the technology now it’s far less expensive then it was… they’d have an element of responsibility in this. A one off investment of a couple of grand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Yes you should. It's a crime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭SunnySundays


    Is there a property management company? Their responsibility if there is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭JackieChang


    Whatever it's called. A cabinet with separate mailboxes with their own separate keys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    It's odd that the postman leaves items on top of the box if they won't fit inside. I live in an apartment complex and the postman always leaves a delivery docket notifying that the package /parcel can be collected at the local sorting office because the sorters know in advance that it won't fit in the box. The boxes are all the same size, which is post office standard. Postpersons carry keys to both enter the building and unlock the boxes. You need to contact your local sorting office about this problem. It's not the management company's fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭Heckler


    For all the US get wrong interfering and tampering with another persons mail is a federal crime and will get you jail time. Over here you'll likely have nothing done. Set up a camera and the Gardai will probably tell you they can't look at footage cos GDPR........

    Maybe get it sent to your work address or a family member if possible.

    I recently bought something online. Said I wouldn't be available to accept delivery so an option was to have it be left at a neighbours. Came home and it was sitting on the front step. Then got an email from the couriers saying it was delivered and signed for. By me. Bi-location is a handy skill. And they even spelt my name wrong in the email saying who it was signed by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    If items don't fit in the mail box they should not be left in a common area, you could put a tracker device and then find out where they live. Should not be hard only 10 people living there. Is there no cameras in the building common areas. Or just get online deliverys sent to your family , friend who live in a house

    There's apple airtag or android trackers. You Could get an old android phone paint it black or white leave it on video record, then get up at 7. 45 am put box with oldbooks, glass, cans in it, seal it, place it on ground, near mail box, see who takes it , maybe you could put phone camera in range where it can't be seen by someone who is just looking for mail to Rob. They are probably robbing any packages not just yours.

    Put label with your name on it in large letters

    Walk by every 10 minutes to see who's near the mail box

    Fill it with anything heavy, so it can't be moved easily in seconds there's probably videos YouTube how to make a loud exploding paint box to catch porch robbers it sprays paint when it moves

    Where I live postman always come around 8.40 to 9.20

    Or maybe ask management company to install camera pointing at the mail box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Maybe theres a device that would make a very loud noise 3 minutes after the box is moved, it's very like young person under 30 who is doing this .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    so someone is picking your lock? or has a key that matches your lock?

    if you're 100% certain its someone up to no good then you need to contact the landlord or property management



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,096 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    No, someone is picking up parcels from the top of the cabinet.

    OP, report it to the police even if nothing is done the report will be there. Put up a big sign saying 'please do not leave deliveries outside the mailbox as they are being stolen'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    from the top of a cabinet?? well that's got to be a Courier other than a regular Postman, a Postman will always leave a note saying collect at local P.O.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭laoisgem


    Do I have deja vu or was there a similar thread posted about the same topic? 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,096 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    a Postman will always leave a note saying collect at local P.O.

    Or it could be a new postman or a careless postman who finds it easier to just abandon the parcel rather than make out a slip for it. There is no way of knowing whether it is a courier or a resident or anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Nope, in my complex, the postal delivery people sometimes leaves parcels on top of the cabinet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich


    don't be ratting on people to the garda sort it out yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,096 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    How is objecting to having your stuff stolen 'ratting'. That's what the gardai are there for, to sort stuff, saves people having to be vigilantes. I do agree that ensuring stuff is not left on the cabinet is the most pragmatic solution, but the business of 'not ratting' is just ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,014 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Don’t be ratting on thieves?

    What sort of parallel world do you live in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Two options here. Undertake a sting operation and find the culprit or say it to the post person not to leave post anymore and you'll collect it from the depot/set up a parcel motel account.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Could be anyone, could be the postman for all you know as I had a few items disappear from local post office till I figured out why they always recommended to not use a tracking code

    If you don’t have a post box big enough for the items then get a service like parcel motel. Sorry but the Gardai will not be able to help in this situation as it could be a single person or just random people grabbing stuff as they walk past,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    well that's very shoddy, i wouldn't accept that...have a word with your local postie OP tell them what's going on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    That's the way it should happen alright.

    At my office address, I once had a package worth €1000 left in a re-cycle bin in our front yard - the An Post non delivery docket pushed through the letterbox told us where it was. Luckily, the bin wasn't due to be collected until the next day, but for all the postman knew, it could have been tipped into the truck between the time he left it, and when the office opened.

    Another time, an An Post non delivery note was left sticking out of a wall mounted ash try in our open backyard car park, saying a package for us was left with a nearby business. When I went to collect it, it wasn't even addressed to us. There was also no need to leave it anywhere as the office was occupied particularly early that day and the delivery could have been completed directly (postman would have then been made aware that it was not for us).

    I reported both events to the local sorting office and like myself, they were baffled .... but it hasn't happened since. Non deliveries are now always returned to the sorting office with a note posted in our letterbox to advise when we can collect then. The OP should contact the sorting office and insist that non deliverable items are returned to the office for later customer collection.

    If it is courier deliveries involved, then I have no idea what you could do, except maybe designate a specific nearby hedge that they could lash it in to. Courier deliveries don't seem to have any obligation to make sure that packages actually get to the addressed person. They are the Ryanair of parcel logistics..... dropping them off somewhere in the general location of the addressed building is close enough - no need alert the addressee that their parcel has arrived, they will trip over it whenever they go outside. I have seen couriers leave parcels on doorsteps, in bins and in bushes, without even attempting to knock on the door and hand the parcel over.

    In the case posted, the Gardai will have very little interest, or ability to take action. Setting up hidden cameras in lobby space may not be legal and I doubt you would be able to use any footage gathered as evidence ... without putting signs up to say they are there and registering yourself as a data controller and observing the associated privacy requirements.



  • Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Could be Gypsy kids #putting their hands into your PO Box OP

    #if it's like where I used to live - every apt had a small locker type PO Box in foyer/lobby,, often saw the blighters with their paws going down the slot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    It's one of the people who lives there, post is delivered around 9am , maybe 9.30pm. Apartments have locked front doors, there's not random people going to the mailbox. All the apartments I see have auto lock doors, you close the door it's locked. You can see videos on YouTube of delivery workers literally throwing box's at a front door, or leaving them them in. A bin, if they get no answer, eg American delivery guys, I don't think any post office workers here are robbing parcels. That's bullshit.

    That person is checking the hall everyday to see if there's anything he can steal. Probably a male. I think some weirdos, think anyone who talks to a garda is a rat , eg you deal with your own problems, or maybe he thinks he's living in the 80s.ands he's a big love, hate fan.

    Either try and catch the thief or else set up new delivery options.


    There's not random people walking around the mailbox around 9am



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    @JackieChang Let us know how you get on with this. Should be easy enough to catch them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    When you do find the culprits, blast them with piss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Sir Galahad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,014 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    Its handier than having to go to the post office. My apt block is the same , fortunately no thieves tho!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Sir Galahad


    Really ? You need it explained ? Your comment "Don't be ratting on thieves" . . . . . . . and you don't think that's stupid advice ? Off you go to the Gangland thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It really isn't and I say that as a Director of an OMC.

    Should be reported to the Guards certainly, its theft and a violation of the Postal Services Act, 2011.

    I do admire your restraint OP, you mention that having lost three valuable packages its merely "getting annoying". I'd have entrapped the C and beaten 40 shades out of them by now, but then I do have a shocking temper.

    Get evidence, give to Guards, don't take law into own hands, it will get me in trouble some day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,014 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Stupid advice to report a crime?

    Think you need to have a look at yourself if that’s what you think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭SunnySundays


    @Larbre34 you don't believe security falls under the remit of a property management company?

    You might explain why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its a shared responsibility of the resident and the OMC for sure to take reasonable measures to protect life and property, but there is no legal obligation on the OMC to guarantee against crime or somehow underwrite loss as a result of it, especially if the perpetrator is living within the development and so has access to keys, security access codes, common areas etc.

    Your home and property is insured by the occupier taking out a policy, not by the OMC and that tells you all you need to know.

    When it comes to criminal matters, or even simple property damage, my Agent hands over any evidence we do have to the Guards, on the OK of the Directors. After that, its between the Guards and the complainant to resolve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    No 1 an post should not be leaving packages in a common area, i presume your block has secure door locks. You could probably catch em if you used an old phone, hide it behind bin, fire extenguisher, light fixture, turn on video record, wait and see does someone take the fake package with your name on it. Fill it full of cans heavy items, to slow em down.

    Once you know who it it is make a formal report to the Gardai, his home is problem full of stolen laptops, phones etc most robbers are fairly stupid

    The problem is the Gardaí will probably ask you to fill out a standard form unless you have Proof Joe bloggs took my post package, here's video evidence.

    Say leave phone on record from 9am til 9,40 am , take phone away after postman calls



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    The potential 'evidence' that such a sting operation would produce would almost certainly not be admissible legally and may get you in trouble over privacy and data control issues. What about all the other people that you might catch on film going about their business? They have a defined and protected right to privacy. The management company of the premises could not allow a tenant to record and store video footage from common areas in their building.

    Seriously, the simple and direct solution to this problem is with An Post .... they should be told not to leave behind any items that can not be delivered securely and arrange for collection at the sorting office. That is literally what the system was set up for. In fact, them leaving post in an open access situation may be in breech of their own postal security policy, in the first place. As with my previous examples of issues with deliveries, I think delivery standards have slipped for An Post in recent years ... maybe caused by the race to the bottom competition of independent couriers.

    No need for Sherlock Holmes, Magnum PI, or The Enforcer tactics in this case, just tell the post office to stop throwing the mail about the place if it can not fit in the designated box. Personally, I would call to the local sorting office, have a word with them and hand over a letter documenting my request and asking for a response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,096 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    'Its people under 30 (😏), its the postman, its gypsies. Absolutely no evidence for any of these slurs, why make stupid, sweeping statements that have no basis? And having made the accusation, so what? How much further forward has it got anyone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    This doesnt really solve the problem. It is handy to get parcels in the communal area in a apartment complex and theres no valid reason why everybody shouldnt be able to, I have for years. Id put up a sign saying the gardai have been notified and send yourself a package and see what happens. Your solution will inconvenience all the apartments in the block.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    With respect, you are arguing for a different problem. I was advising against some suggestions offered here about people taking the law into their own hands and setting up illegal monitor and surveillance operations. For an individual solution, like the OP requested, they should make their own individual and specific request at the post office. What anyone else does or doesn't do and what risks they want to take in having their post left unsecured, is up to them.

    The valid reason why everybody in a block can not absolutely rely on their packages not being lifted, is that there are some people around who will lift them, if they see an opportunity. Maybe it is handy to have packages left waiting unsecured in the communal area, but it is also undeniably risky. Your suggestion of putting up a sign and 'see what happens' has no certain outcome. Telling the post office to hold onto your packages until they can be collected, has a certain conclusion.

    Bottom line is ... post left unsecured in a common area has a risk of being stolen. Maybe it's a handy arrangement and the risk is generally acceptable, in the OP case it seems not to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    Its been NOT risky for years in any apt blocks ive lived in. Just because your idea had a certain conclusion in no way makes it better idea. The conclusion is one of inconvenience for everyone going going forward.

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