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Shinzo Abe was Assassinated

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,217 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Don't think it's been confirmed by official sources but doesn't seem likely he has survived if he was hit in the neck...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,582 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Pretty high-profile, any news on a motive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,217 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Shotgun too yeah... likely to be fatal..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭slumdogemillionaire


    Ex-Tokyo governor Yoichi Masuzoe said in a tweet that Mr Abe was in a state of cardiopulmonary arrest.

    The term is often used before a death is officially confirmed in Japan.

    Source: BBC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    It looked like an odd place to be giving a planned speech. Completely open.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,338 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Japan is one of the safest places in the world in terms of gun violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev




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    It is. All sorts of crime, not just gun violence, is pretty much unheard of there. It wasn't a gun either way, some kind of home made thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Looks like the first shot missed and security slow to react to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Honour killing? RIP first instinct was ninjas; as it happens you'd never associate japan with the guns.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭tara73


    crazy. he was PM for 8 years, quite some time. he must have been a threat to some powerful people, wanted to talk about something delicate my guess...realised we know nothing about Japanese politics here in Europe.

    Imagine Bertie get shot...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭cruizer101


    The reaction of the crowd there is very strange, seems like they didn't realise what had happened, after gunshots fired you would normally expect people to run away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Doubt it, he wasn't great with the truth and spread a lot of hate and division, could of been a number of different types of crazies.

    The guy apparently was Ex Navy.

    Off to the Gallows with him anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Not really. Guns are virtually unknown in Japan so genuinely people wouldn't know what was going on, and also culturally the Japanese don't overreact or burst out screaming to traumatic events like you'd see in the US or Europe. Very different cultures lead to very different behaviours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,734 ✭✭✭✭Penn




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,381 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Homemade shotgun





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,217 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Some years ago I was in Tokyo around New Year's. On New Year's Day they open the Emperor's palace and he gives a speech (Well actually I think he gives three throughout the day). I was lucky enough to be there for that. The Emperor gave his speech. No cheering, few clapping. Everyone had a small paper flag that they waved in pretty much silence. It was very strange and interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Echoes of Yamaguchi from way back

    Yamaguchi acted against communists in Japan I believe - any word on a motive for Abe's attacker?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I remember seeing an interview with Ringo Starr years ago talking about the madness of Beatlemania, except for Japan, where they'd come on play their songs and would be met with near silence until the song was over followed by clapping.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Joe Strummer approves I think we can acknowledge they are a smart bunch; that tend to do things with great style. I mean look at that boom-block they to take core ideas and innovate; build on sure they even manage to take the globali(st) de facto youth culture that is hip-hop and put their own slant to make even *that* appear relatively smart.

    Population issues, sure but they're working on that too I see. Lot of respect for my Japanese friends, down the years always mutual.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Niall145


    Pity it wasn't Putin...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,794 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Gun Laws in Japan might be strict to the point that it's impossible to own one for the ordinary citizen? In any case this kind of shooting is practically unheard of there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,059 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    He was a Japanese powerhouse. Made some significant changes and brought stability to the Japanese political system.

    I dont understand why he was taken out when in retirement?


    Absolutely horrific

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles


    He was quite a controversial figure as well was a big supporter of remilitarization and and he was known to excuse/downplay Japanese war crimes during WW2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,059 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Remilitarization with an aggressive and expansionist China near your borders was probably a good thing. Japan of the early 20th century is not the Japan of today. Although I'd agree, Japan as never truly acknowledged his warcrimes against the Asians nations.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    I thought the same thing but I guess that is the result of being from a nation with almost no gun crime. Compare that to the reaction of the crowd in the recent Chicago 4th July shooting, or even a few years ago when a vehicle backfire caused a panic in Times Sq.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭quokula


    RIP. While my knowledge of Japanese internal politics is basically zero, Abe always seemed like a steady hand and a proper statesman on the world stage for a long time, similar to Merkel. I have been to Japan a couple of times and as others have mentioned it's hard to imagine a safer country so this comes as a real shock.



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    RIP, very sad day for Japan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Sure this is it it's a high trust society. Remote biosphere; like ourselves albeit duly respected no interference permitted no meddling...

    -an aspect of which may have been on the deceased's agenda, you'd have to look it up but beyond whatever kinks it's a clean living society. But with still too many inhabitants so you're bound to get one; at least but then even in such cases they'll still tend to cut to the crux of the matter.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's just so utterly out of character for Japan.

    Just not something you'd ever imagine happening.

    They shooter has apparently said that he "just didn't like Abe and wanted to kill him".





  • Not good, he was ridiculously exposed there. Serious lapse in security.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,217 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    That's just the way they do it. You see politicians, from rural town mayors on up, speaking on the street or an the back of trucks etc. Here we have politicians out jogging with no security. He was not the active Prime Minister and in a country with a disproportionately low violent crime rate. Murder cases are rare and all over the news and followed in great detail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    this is actual footage of beatlemania in japan


    seems to be just like anywhere else, below is the beckhams at the airport





  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    If you think about all our TD's and Ministers out campaigning , they'd all be very similar - Wandering around Shopping centres etc.

    A member of government getting shot while campaigning is just not something that would even register as a possibility here or in Japan clearly..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Stop it, by jaysus you’ll have our lot sweatin more bullets than the country can muster.

    Willing to put it down to a case of overpopulation. Even in Japan there’s got to be one; at least one I tells ya….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    I mean that he had to make his own gun says all that needs to be said

    Imagine living in a world where that wasn't normality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Lot of knifey stabby I’d imagine 😰 quick; break out the guns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    i have no idea what you are on about in your last 2 posts, maybe a few too any friday crunchys?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,217 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I wouldn’t like to be his security team, utterly hopeless. Several shots fired from where he is statistically most vulnerable.

    the uniform cop to the right standing like a mannequin several shots have been fired… looks like he should be stood in the window of a primark.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Oh waay too many of those buttercheeks here’s a thing though whether guns; or knife its what culture you allow establish itself in your country. What level of distrust you instilled or allow to fester there and japan, at least is far off that so I'd probably trust them for the most part but it's an unfortunate incident, no doubt and I hope amidst the furore we can all pay our respects ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    I know very little about the ins and outs of Japanese politics but from the outside it seems to be a nation going through a bit of an identity crisis at the moment. Its heyday is definitely behind it, at one stage in the 80s many were predicting that Japan would be the next superpower, not China. But they've had about 30 years of slow growth and stagnation since their bubble burst in the early 90s, and couple that with the rise of China in their own neck of the woods in the meantime. Their population is also falling rapidly from its peak about 20 years ago.

    Abe seems to have been a stable force in their political system (Japanese PMs don't seem to have much staying power) but also showcased a lot of that residual nationalism, especially towards their imperial history in China and elsewhere.

    Again it's a gross oversimplification but I wonder if this tragedy together with the serious aggression coming out of China at the moment will have a major effect on Japanese self-confidence. Or how that will play out politically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    as it was a homemade shotgun and it seems 2 shots were fired within maybe 1.5 - 2 seconds, not even speedy gonzales would have reacted fast enough

    Not even Clint eastwood and Kevin Costner would have stopped some randomer attack like that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Surely the Yazuka (sp?) crime syndicate use guns?

    Also to poster above who said a gun wasn't involved, think you may be a little confused. A gun produced by an amateur gunsmith in his garden shed is still a gun, if it works properly and can shoot.





  • Yeah Leo V lives a normal enough life around Dublin. I don't think it's prudent for him to be mingling in the park or out jogging with no security when he has the position he has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    there will always be nutters and people with grudge so keeping the guns out of easy reach, just like the dishwasher tabs out of the babies mouth makes sense also

    Guns dont kill people, rappers do!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    he has gotten this far, why curtail your life to live in fear

    you could list the numbers of politicians killed here and you fingers and I think all but 1 or 2 are about 100 year ago and the others I think have some aspect of the north to them and about 30 years have passed

    so mingle away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    .-well this is it really but there is no oversimplified this matter, only complicating it and much as we may loathe our own we should always feel we know each other enough to never step over that boundary. Sure you get the occasional fool but lookit, it's no milkshake off my back and we can all look back and laugh regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The Irish Labour Party TD James Tully was standing next to the Egyptian dictator Anwar Sadat as part of a trade visit when Sadat was shot dead.

    Some wag said afterwards "They missed".

    Post edited by growleaves on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,582 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Looks like pipes duct-taped to a plank, there's not really much you can do to stop people making stuff like this. The most interesting improvised firearm I've ever seen was made in a prison in the US and used a box stapler as a trigger/striker mechanism. If someone is determined enough they'll be able to put something together.



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