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Ongoing religious scandals

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Two transfers under the 2009 offers remain outstanding. Both are currently in use by intended beneficiaries. The combined value of 13 of the 16 properties transferred under this round is €4.515 million, while the other three valuations are in progress.

    It means the total contribution received to date from the 18 religious congregations under the 2009 voluntary offer by them is approximately €116.24 million, or less than a third of what they proposed in 2009.


    Meanwhile, redress paid out to people who had been in the residential institutions for children investigated by the Ryan Commission, has come to €1.165 billion, a spokesman for the department has said.

    The figure applies as of December last and includes €971 million in awards with associated applicant legal costs of €194 million. The average award to 15,579 people who had been in the reformatories, industrial schools and orphanages as children was €62,250.

    The the overall legal cost of the commission of investigation was €46 million, made up of €15 million in legal costs and third-party costs of €31 million.

    It brings to €1.211 billion the total cost of investigating and redress arising from abuses in the residential institutions for children run by the 18 religious congregations.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Thanks for the link; that article desperately needs a table or something, because it's confusing to figure out what was agreed to be paid, by whom, to whom, and how much. IMO it could've been written much better than it was. It's not even clear what the exact shortfall is, or issues (and dates) by when it is to be determined.


    Overall, though, I get the message that the religious institutions are way behind agreements reached in 2009, and I'm sure there's no penalties (like interest) to them for delaying. It's the game they play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Bear in mind, too, that's only what they agreed to pay...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭Niska


    France this time - a commission finds thousands of paedophiles active in French Catholic Church since 1950. Giving the pattern of the Church the worldover (and not just in Ireland), I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    The full report of around 2,500 pages has just been issued and indicates that between 1950 and 2020, that 2,900-3,200 clerical abusers abused some 216,000 children, the majority of which were boys. The report also found that when you add abuse by lay members of the church - teachers at RCC-controlled schools etc - the number of victims could rise to 330,000. The report also notes that the percentage of clerical abusers in France was considerably less than in other countries.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58801183

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20211005/french-catholic-church-inquiry-finds-216000-sex-abuse-victims-from-1950/

    "The commission also had access to police files as well as Church archives, citing only two cases of refusals by Church institutions to turn over requested documents. Overall, it found that 2.5 percent of French clergy since 1950 had sexually abused minors, a ratio below the 4.4 to 7 percent uncovered by similar inquiries in other countries."

    When the world's gaze turns elsewhere, and the site comes back up again, the full report is likely to be available here:

    https://www.ciase.fr/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Australian pastor and founder of a global Pentecostal megachurch has pleaded not guilty to concealing his father's alleged child sexual abuse.

    Hillsong Church pastor Brian Houston, a prominent Australian religious figure with ties to the country's conservative prime minister, is accused of failing to report the abuse of a young boy after learning of the claims in 1999.

    His father, Frank, who died in 2004, has been accused of sexually abusing a seven-year-old boy while a preacher at the Assemblies of God church in the 1970s.


    If we'd prosecute for that here, would there be a bishop left?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Warning - Nobody choke on the coffee reading this.

    "French Catholic bishops agreed Monday to sell part of the Church's extensive real estate holdings to compensate the thousands of victims of child sex abuse at the hands of clergy.  

    Church officials have been under growing pressure to indemnify victims after a landmark inquiry confirmed extensive sexual abuse of minors by priests dating from the 1950s to 2020.

    An independent commission will be set up to evaluate the claims, "and we are going to provide the means to accomplish this mission... of individual indemnities for the victims", said Eric de Moulins-Beaufort, head of the Bishops' Conference of France (CEF).

    His comments came at the close of days of meetings by the conference's 120 members on how to respond to the devastating inquiry into the "massive phenomenon" of child sexual assault that was often covered by a "veil of secrecy".

    The inquiry had urged the Church to pay victims with its own assets, instead of asking parishioners to donate funds to compensate for crimes committed by the clergy."

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211108-french-catholic-church-says-will-use-own-assets-to-compensate-sex-abuse-victims?fbclid=IwAR2v1GzZyAWlTTuNhW0j2PNHEgSkjbzzwFWAIMN0g-zuWZBuVQ0QHgHFylA&ref=fb_i



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Do the French have a property price register, as Ireland does?

    If so, somebody's going to have loads of fun in decades to come tracing the disposal of French church property at strangely low rates, only to see the same properties sold at market rates some years later.

    Remember - you read it here first!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Couldn't they just have got the French government to make taxpayers unconstitutionally pay 90% of it?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    It's almost like the mad bastards in government take the notion of a secular republic seriously.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    MULTAN, Pakistan -- An enraged mob stoned to death a middle-aged man for allegedly desecrating the Quran in a remote village in eastern Pakistan, police said Sunday.

    The custodian of a local mosque said he saw the man burning the Muslim holy book inside the mosque Saturday evening and told others before informing police, according to police spokesman Chaudhry Imran. The violence took place in a village in the district of Khanewal in Punjab province.

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/man-accused-blasphemy-stoned-death-mob-pakistan-82858123



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    An enraged mob stoned to death a middle-aged man

    Coincidentally, I watched Alejandro Amenábar's 2009 film Agora again last night - the film suggests that not a lot has changed since the time of Hypatia of Alexandria in the late fourth century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_(film)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Indigenous people in Canada say they've discovered further unmarked graves at residential schools funded by the Canadian state, but controlled by the catholic church. The latest discoveries bring the total number of unmarked graves discovered in the last year alone to over 1,100.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60395242



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,552 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I haven't been following this in the canadian media but do they have the same sort of catholic church apologists as we have here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    No doubt some, but they don't appear to have the ear of government. Unlike here, it looks like reasonably prompt action will be taken to investigate these crime scenes and follow up appropriately.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Turns out that while the state has paid out €32.8m to 814 surviving victims of the Magdalene laundries, the nuns who actually ran the laundries - well, they've yet to stick their hands into the cassocks.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/nuns-who-ran-magdalene-laundries-have-not-contributed-to-redress-for-women-1.4816666 

    It's also emerged that The Religious Sisters of Charity, which ran three of the laundries...

    ...has applied to Dublin City Council for planning permission to allow “high quality residential development and address housing need” at their site on Merrion Road in Dublin 4. A senior property industry source estimated it could sell for “€50 million-plus” if zoned for homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Not sure this is quite a scandal, but some bizarre conspiracy theory (well, par for the course I suppose) running around the RCC that Pope Frank has maybe resurrected some earlier religious twaddle that took place in Portugal, Fatima something, and various zealots in the RCC are unhappy with him. One zealot called Frank a Freemason, that's so 15th century...


    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/pope-francis-consecration-ukraine-russia-fatima-conspiracy-theories.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Not too sure what the actual conspiracy theory is after reading that...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,552 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Former bishop of Albany New York admits he covered up sex abuse by priests.

    I think this sums it up

    Hubbard testified he didn’t report the allegations to law enforcement because he didn’t feel he was required by law to do so, and instead kept the allegations against Bentley, and others, secret out of concern for “scandal and the respect of the priesthood”.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So, how's that respect for the priesthood thing working out for you lads?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    It's the oldest one associated with the Church of Rome rearing up again as it does periodically.

    It has its roots in the belief that in order to trigger the 2nd Coming the whole world must be Christian. Therefore go forth and convert by any means necessarily. All the woes in society were because the people we not faithful, and all faults within the church were.. because the people weren't faithful enough. The ye all partied defence.

    This theory literally goes back to Late Antiquity and grew legs as the Roman Empire collapsed. Rome was literally a backwater and running last in the race to determine who would be #1. Using the structure of the Empire Rome began to Proselytise with a vengeance - something neither the Orthodox or Coptic faiths bothered with.

    Alles is gut and Rome is gaining global ground until a stroppy German took issue and upset the Christian monolith cart by undermining Rome. Now. Luther also believed the whole world needed to be Christian but his version - not Rome's (one of his reactions was to build anti-Semitism into his new religion but that's another tale).

    It is from this time period that Rome really began to push the BVM as "Catholic".

    BUT - alles was not really gut because of the Orthodox Christians. Rome had been able to quietly ignore Greek Orthodoxy as Constantinople was nowhereville, and the other challenger's to Rome's claim of being THE city of Christianity fell to Islam thereby 'proving' they were not chosen.

    15th C as @Igotadose mentions it all came to a head.

    The Ottoman's overrun Greece (yipee say Rome) but a few short years before that Russia went Orthodox (F sake says Rome) by choice. A huge landmass with loads of people are the wrong kind of Christians. Orthodoxy isn't dead, it's managed to expand against all the odds.

    This is a bad thing - Russia MUST abandon Orthodoxy and accept Rome's authority - i.e. be consecrated to Mary.

    But they also have those pesky Muslims to deal with so it's a thoughts and prayers situation when it comes to East of Christendom.

    And then Luther schisms Christendom it'self.

    Added into the mix is another theory concerning the validity of The Pope - that one goes back to at least the 12th C.

    So - is the Pope really genuinely attempting to "convert Russia to Mary" (i.e. Rome) in order to bring about the 2nd Coming which is Pope's top job OR is he only pretending due to being the Anti-Pope.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    You'd really wonder what Jesus would make of the history of the last two thousand years if he ever does show up again.

    "Like, how precisely the **** did you lot go from 'Love your neighbor as yourself' to whatever sinkhole of doom you now sit at the bottom of?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    Why so lenient? A 10 year old kid ffs.

    A former Franciscan Brother from Co Cork, who was previously convicted of masturbating in front of a male teenager at Knock Shrine, has been jailed for 27 months for indecent assault and sexual assault of a 10-year-old boy.

    Christopher McCarthy, 74, with an address at Richmond Court, Mount Kennett, Dock Road, Limerick, was jailed for three years with the final nine months suspended at Limerick Circuit Court.

    Judge Pat Meghan said McCarthy could be identified. The victim cannot be named for legal reasons.

    Reading his victim impact statement in court, the man told McCarthy he wanted him to “rot” in jail.

    McCarthy reacted by rolling his eyes upwards, sighing, and shaking his head in apparent annoyance, as the man told the court how the sexual assaults had “changed my life forever”.

    A jury reached unanimous guilty verdicts on two counts in McCarthy’s trial on October 6th, 2020, after he denied the allegations which dated back thirty years.

    The jury rejected McCarthy’s denials that he had rubbed his erect penis against the boy’s backside from outside his clothes; and that he masturbated himself as he grabbed the victim’s penis outside of the victim’s trousers.

    The victim said the assaults have “stayed” with him throughout his life and he eventually told his wife after seeing McCarthy for the first time in thirty years which “brought it all back”.

    McCarthy, who later resided at a hostel in Limerick City, denied the allegations when he was questioned by gardaí in March 2019.

    Addressing McCarthy in court, the victim said: “I have waited years to say these words to you — Christopher McCarthy, I f**king hate you — I hate what you have done to me, I hate that you have consumed my childhood and most of my adult life, I hate the fact that you sat through four days of your trial without showing any emotion of sadness or remorse for what you put me through.”

    “I will never forgive you for what you have done and what you have taken from me. To be honest, it’s irrelevant how long (a sentence) you get for this, because it will never replace the years you have taken from me.”

    “You will never understand how much you have taken from me, you stole my childhood, you robbed me of my innocence, you took advantage of my vulnerability, and worst of all, you made me believe that I would get in trouble for it. How f**king dare you do that to anybody, let alone a child.”

    McCarthy, who continues to deny the allegations, joined the Franciscan Order aged 17, but he left the Order when he was 20, he lived in London for a period, and he suffered with depression and other mental health issues, the court heard.

    On January 7th, 2020, McCarthy received a fully suspended three-month prison sentence at Castlebar District Court, after he was found guilty on January 2nd, 2019, of masturbating in front of an 18-year-old male at Knock Shrine, Co Mayo, on September 17th, 2017, a charge he denied.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It never ends, does it?


    A religious order has bowed to pressure from Pope Francis to meet face-to-face with three Irishmen who were sexually abused at a training college for priests in the UK during the 1960s.

    The Comboni Missionaries, headquartered in Rome, has refused for decades to acknowledge the horrific ordeal suffered by the men and others who were enticed as children into St Peter Claver College in Mirfield, West Yorkshire, which was run by the order.

    Last week Frank Barnes, from Finglas, Dublin, Gerry McLaughlin of Moville, Co Donegal and Jim Kirby, from Glasheen, Cork City, were among eight survivors who held an emotionally charged meeting with Francis at The Vatican.

    The pontiff personally pleaded for their forgiveness and vowed to contact Fr Tesfaye Tadesse Gebresilasie, superior general of the Comboni Order, to ask why he had not made any effort to speak with them.


    Frank Barnes, 70, a company director who was born in Crumlin, Dublin, told The Irish Times: “This is what we have always been fighting for. To be listened to, and to be directly heard by the Comboni Missionaries. Any other approach we have made to them over the years, they have come out with the usual claptrap, saying that they didn’t do it, they did nothing wrong, they knew nothing about it.

    “I’m absolutely delighted. Hopefully this is the beginning of us receiving closure of all that went on.”

    Like others, Barnes, whose family moved to Manchester when he was aged 10, said he was lured into the seminary by a visiting missionary at his primary school, promising a “wonderful life, seeing Africa, all the lions, giraffes and chimpanzees”.

    “I fell for it, same as all the other guys,” he said. “Now I realise what a mess they made of our lives.”


    “It was only years afterwards I could bring myself to talk about it, even though it was in my head all the time. You feel guilty for it happening.

    “I was 12 years old and I used to watch one of the priests on the altar raising the host, saying Mass, and I used to think how can he possibly do that, when he was touching me last night. The tears would be running down my face.”

    As he did with Pope Francis during a 1½-hour meeting in his Apostolic Palace, Barnes wants to look the head of the Combonis in the eye and detail the impact of the abuse on him and what, he says, was decades of a cover-up.

    “They have always said we have been after them for money, which we haven’t. What we want is to be believed, to be understood,” he said.

    “The only way for any closure is a face-to-face meeting. We want them to admit it happened, which they have always denied. We want them to believe us, which they have never done. All we ever wanted was some kind of admission from them and for them to say sorry.”


    The Comboni order, previously known as the Verona Fathers, paid compensation to 11 of the abuse survivors in 2014 without formally acknowledging it happened. It amounted to as little as £8,000 (€9,370) each.

    An investigation by West Yorkshire Police into historical sex abuse at the seminary was hampered as two suspects — Fr John Pinkman and Fr Domenico Valmaggia — were dead, and a third, who is still alive in Italy, could not be extradited because of ill health.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Pathetic response by Pope Frank. "Let's have a meeting and make consoling noises." How about dissolving that ordure and feeding a few of them to lions. In Africa. A fine biblical punishment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This is where they'll say the orders are private organisations and are not under the control of the local diocese etc. etc.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    From the UN human rights commission hearings:

    Asking about survivors of mother and baby homes, she said the provision of redress on condition that they not pursue separate legal claims was “a complete flagrant violation of the CCPR and the European Convention on Human Rights”.

    “I will remind you there are very serious violations here. The payment of financial compensation ex gratia does not free the State of its obligation to investigate, prosecute and bring to justice those responsible [for abuses within the homes].”

    Our preferred approach - ignore the testimony of victims, produce a whitewash report, absolve the orders of any financial responsibility, make payments to victims provided they agree to keep quiet, and refuse to even consider investigating the serious crimes committed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    Convicted paedophile and former 'singing' priest Tony Walsh has been sentenced to another four years in prison for indecent assaults of three schoolboys in the 1980s.

    Judge Martin Nolan described the crimes of Walsh, 72, who was defrocked in 1992 and formally dismissed from the priesthood in 1996, as evil.

    Dublin Circuit Criminal Court heard today that Walsh was a curate in Ballyfermot, Dublin and a chaplain to De La Salle school in Ballyfermot from 1978 to 1986 when he abused the boys.

    Judge Nolan said that Walsh has spent around 20 years in prison since 1995 when he was first convicted of indecent assault and that the three victims in the charges before the court were "in a long line of victims".

    "He has done many terrible things over the years. He abused the innocence of these young boys for his own purpose. He was grossly and morally reprehensible.

    "He has caused a huge amount of harm emotionally and psychologically. What he has done is evil," Judge Nolan said.

    Last January, Walsh, who is currently serving a sentence in the Midlands prison in Portlaoise, pleaded guilty to indecent assault of a child at a lane in Ballyfermot and indecent assault at De La Salle school on unknown dates between January 1983 and June 1986.

    This victim told gardaí that he was aged around eight-years-old when Walsh would come to the school, "we all loved him, he wasn't a teacher, he was nice to us kids".

    The victim said he had been put out of the class when he met Walsh in the school corridor. Walsh followed the boy into a toilet cubicle and sexually assaulted the boy before sending him back to the class "dazed and afraid".

    On another occasion, Walsh again sexually assaulted this boy in a lane-way, telling him afterwards that if he told anyone about what happened the child would get into trouble.

    Walsh also pleaded guilty last month to indecent assault of a ten-year-old boy in 1982. The boy's great-grandmother had recently died when Walsh brought him to the parochial house and indecently assaulted him.

    Finally, he pleaded guilty to three counts of indecent assault at De La Salle school in Ballyfermot on unknown dates between September 1980 and June 1984. The victim was aged seven to ten when Walsh repeatedly molested him and indecently assaulted him.

    This victim told gardaí that Walsh would come to the school and perform Elvis impersonations and sing songs. He would also hear confessions from boys in a spare classroom and it was during these hearings that he molested and sexually assaulted this boy.

    Reading from his own victim impact report, this victim, who is now aged 49, told the court that his life changed drastically as a result of the sexual abuse by Walsh at the school. He said Walsh would visit the school and call boys out of class for confession in a spare classroom.

    "One by one we would go in to give confessions. This is where the sexual abuse and rape started. I don't remember what I did to invite this man to think it was okay to strip me of innocence and childhood.

    "What I do remember is the shock, pain and confusion. What has never let me is the shame.

    "The shame of being violated, degraded, humiliated, dehumanised, of not having the understanding or strength to make it stop.

    "The shame of feeling and believing what happened was my fault. To this day I still carry this shame. This sexual abuse and rape continued for the next four years; four years of darkness and pain," he said. He said that during his time in the school "my emotional and physical well-being suffered".

    "I was exposed to an adult world I didn't want any part of, a world that brought me nothing but pain," he said.

    He told the court that the abuse meant he only achieved a fraction of his academic potential and affected his progress throughout his life. He continues to suffer nightmares and flashbacks and that his wife and children have also suffered because of the effects on him of the abuse.

    Since 1995, Walsh has been convicted of 28 counts of indecent assault, five of sexual assault and five of buggery. In 2010 he received a nine-year prison sentence for the indecent assault and buggery of a number of children.

    During his interview on some of these offences, Walsh told gardaí he had certain medical complaints which would make it difficult for him or impossible to perform the alleged acts. He later told them that he was attracted to young boys aged between ten and 12 and "that was always the case".

    Imposing a four-year prison term, Judge Nolan said Walsh was a man who took advantage of the trust placed in him and that these offences were part of serious cumulative behaviour.

    "But for the intervention of the defendant these boys', now men, lives would have been completely different. He has caused them much harm," he said.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Seemingly avoiding using the terms "catholic" and "church", Pope Frank says he's "very sorry" "for the evil committed by so many Christians" in Canada's residential homes:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62296834



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A St John Of God Brother, that was principal of a school for boys with learning disabilities, is to go on trial in 2024 charged with indecently assaulting four boys at the school.

    Aidan Clohessy (82) of Hospitaller Order of St John of God, Grenada, Stillorgan faces nine charges of indecently assaulting four boys at St Augustine’s School, Carysfort Avenue, Blackrock, Co Dublin on dates between August 31st, 1968 and August 17th, 1986.

    The defendant was formerly principal of the school.

    On Thursday Brother Clohessy appeared at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court where Judge Martin Nolan set a trial date for November 18th, 2024. He remanded him on continuing bail to that date.

    2 years away ffs - what's the odds of him even still being alive?

    PS - "A person..., that" in the Irish Times - what is the world coming to.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Germany tried & convicted John Demjanjuk, who claimed to be near death for years and couldn't possibly be extradited by the US. Was extradited when he was 89, went on trial, convicted by Germany 2 years later (age 91) and lived another year in prison.

    This guy's a spring chicken comparatively speaking who has lived a very easy life, not being a Nazi camp guard like Demjanjuk after all, and can easily last a lot longer.

    I agree, 2024's crazy (setting a trial date 2 years from now? wtf?) I guess the 'right to a speedy trial' isn't in the Irish Constitution. Shame, really. But, delaying tactics are a big part of the Criminal Enterprise known as the RCC's toolkit, I'm sure the Judge is fully in bed with the RCC and taking orders from them.

    And, sure enough, it's this guy: https://www.change.org/p/call-for-the-resignation-of-judge-martin-nolan

    Sigh. poor Ireland. No Justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Spiritan congregation, formerly the Holy Ghost Fathers, have disclosed that 233 men have made allegations of abuse against 77 Irish Spiritans in ministries throughout Ireland and overseas. Of that number, 57 men have alleged they were abused on the campus of Blackrock College in Dublin. The Spiritans also run three other colleges in Dublin, St Mary’s College in Rathmines, Templeogue College and St Michael’s, as well as Rockwell College in Co Tipperary.

    Since 2004 the congregation has paid out over €5 million in settlements surrounding abuse claims and for support services, with 12 of those settlements made with 12 men in connection with abuse at Blackrock College.

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    Its [National Board for Safeguarding Children] report, published in September 2012, found that there were unacceptable failures over several decades to protect children from at least 47 alleged abusing Holy Ghost priests in its schools in Ireland. It also found that suspected abusers were often moved by the congregation, either within Ireland or abroad, provoking concern that other victims had yet to come forward.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    No mention of abuse in the mid 70's/early 1980's in St Mary's by one "father" ed Darcy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They sent Moloney, one of the known serial abusers, off to Sierra Leone with predictable consequences:

    After pleading guilty to child sexual abuse offences, and while being "out of ministry" but still receiving free board and lodging from the Spiritans aka Holy Ghost Fathers, the brazen little bollocks thought it appropriate to pontificate on the internet on the subject of paedophile priests:

    On March 19th, 2009, he pleaded guilty to abusing Mr Healy and Paul Daly at St Mary’s College Rathmines.

    On September 22nd, 2010, just over 18 months after that conviction, he joined the online Catholic Answers Forum blog as an observing member. At the time he was out of ministry and living at the Spiritans’ Kimmage Manor in Dublin in 2011.

    In first posting, on October 2nd, 2010, under a heading “Response to the sex abuse situation” he signed himself as Henry Moloney and began: “Hello! My name is known to you ... so this limits what I can say.” He said while he accepted that paedophile priests had betrayed Christ, church, family, friends and innocent victims, he found it unacceptable to describe these priests as “Judases”.

    He wrote: “The only Judge is Christ – so beware of taking up such a position on any failings by any Christian be he priest or lay person. We do so at our peril.”

    In a second posting, dated October 6th, 2010, Moloney wrote: “The vast majority of child sexual abusers can not be rehabilitated, and they are and will remain a danger to children as long as they live. But, we should not limit those that we condemn to just those who abuse children sexually. We should modify our laws so that those who abuse children physically, mentally or in any other way are also subject to harsh legal punishment.”

    A response dated February 19th, 2011, asked: “Is this the Rev Fr Henry F Moloney, CSSp who was our boarding home master at Christ the King College in Bo, Sierra Leone. Can someone help out please”. It was signed “Stipose”, whose identity is known to The Irish Times.

    A second post from Stipose, dated February 23rd, 2011, reproduced an Irish Times report of March 20th, 2009, dealing with Moloney’s sentence hearing at the Circuit Criminal Court in Dublin the previous day. Stipose continued: “It is proving to be very disturbing: of course he was a prime suspect when we were in school for sexually molesting and abusing boys; that it is now proven, I am finding [it] very hard to deal with this ...”

    Moloney’s access to the internet was stopped when his online comments were brought to the attention of Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin by Mark Vincent Healy later in 2011.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    As ever they were far more worried about tarnishing the "Holy Ghost" brand than protecting the children they were supposed to be protecting. Not all were molesters, but all were facilitators by inaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    David began to confide in Maura about what was happening to him. She expressed suspicions about Fr O’Byrne to her father, Prof Maurice Harmon, then of UCD’s English department. He spoke to the principal at Blackrock College and Fr O’Byrne disappeared for a few months.

    When he returned, he got David a summer job in Blackrock College’s library and the abuse resumed. It even took place in Fr O’Byrne’s bedroom at Clareville, the residence of priests and teachers on the school campus.

    Typical. Send a known abuser away for a while so the heat can die down, then allow him back.

    David, then 38, made a statement to gardaí in Blackrock Garda station, as did Mark some time later, and another man who came forward. Fr O’Byrne was then 82 and living on the Blackrock College campus. In 2003, the Director of Public Prosecutions charged Fr O’Byrne with 37 offences arising from the boys’ abuse. The priest initiated a judicial review which went all the way to the Supreme Court, where it was decided in 2007 that as Fr O’Byrne was then so old (87) and the events referred to had been so far in the past the case should not proceed.

    The Ryan family “never understood that decision”, David said. “It was so, so wrong,” and left him with “complete disgust at the judicial system in Ireland”.

    As it should. Plenty of judges and senior gardai with questions to answer - either happily retired or dead now though.

    Following a civil action initiated by the brothers, a six-figure settlement was agreed in 2003 with the Spiritans without admission of liability or apology.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yet more

    Years later, when Mark and David went to the Garda about O’Byrne’s crimes, in 2002, the then octogenarian priest was defended by a top barrister; the Spiritans admit in the programme that the order covered legal fees for members accused of crimes. As a way of preventing Blackrock College’s reputation being dragged through the mud in a court case, it worked.


    Blackrock Boys is a tough listen but an essential piece of radio, highlighting the sickening sexual abuse committed at the heart of supposedly the most elite establishments, and the institutional complicity that perpetuated it. “They knew what was going on, but they brushed it under the carpet,” says David, in disgust. But, above all, it’s a story of personal pain and survival, underscoring how cases of historical abuse are anything but: sometimes, the scar never heals. “I still can’t deal with it properly,” Mark concludes. “I’ve never really had an apology.”

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    That real estate in Dublin would make a fine housing estate. This creepy order wants to apologize. Fck that, they enabled this. Turf them out, worthless humans the lot of 'em.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    It's the sheer arrogance and hypocrisy of them that sticks in the craw the most. They do everything from trying to blacken the name of victims to allowing the same victims to be ostracized.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In no case were there criminal or civil proceedings

    Of course not. Hush it all up and bind the abused over to a confidentiality agreement - ffs - as if they're the ones who have got something to be ashamed of.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And at least one monk (of 6) who committed abuse is still around."He “is subject to a supervision contract which restricts his movements and activities”, per the abbott who oversaw this and no doubt organized everything in defense of these monks. 2 other monks were found by the Church-run "National Board for safeguarding children" to not have committed abuse, I'm sure the NBSC is expert in that, having so many members who are practitioners.

    And it only took them 30+years to kick one of the monks out. 2 others left, so that means, no consequences. What a great deal, consequence-free buggery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What's incredible is that the order's head guy thinks this is all above board and correct because after all they shelled out an unspecified sum of cash. In reality of course it's a cover-up, a whitewash, a denial of justice. I don't know how these people can sleep at night.

    They certainly wouldn't be the only organisation, religious or not, though in this country which equates "internal investigation" with "investigation" even when it's a criminal matter.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    It's the RCC. Nothing should surprise anyone by now. I especially like how they turned the information over to the HSE as well as An Garda Siochana. Guaranteeing nothing will be done, since both are heavily infiltrated by RCC types, especially the HSE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What action would you expect HSE or Gardai to take involving accusations of offences 45 years ago in another country perpetrated by someone who continues to live outside Ireland?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Bishop asks people to 'do the right thing' and help locate bodies of the Disappeared

    Wouldn't it be nice if the bishop would similarly urge those within secretive, highly criminal organisations rather closer to home his palace to help locate the hundreds if not thousands of little bodies they're responsible for in Tuam, Bessborough, and all the other places?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,552 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail



    Ignoring the sexual abuse there is mention of the Pope being involved, helping out a fellow jesuit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Depressing

    "Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers have ordered an indefinite ban on university education for the country’s women, the ministry of higher education said in a letter issued to all government and private universities.

    “You all are informed to implement the mentioned order of suspending education of females until further notice,” said the letter signed by the minister for higher education, Neda Mohammad Nadeem."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/20/taliban-ban-afghan-women-university-education



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