Mass Protest in the Netherlands by Farmers.

The population was 8 million on this island before the famine, but people didn't really consume anything except food so nothing was as polluted. It's not down to population it's down to how we live and the amount of waste we produce.

Well as I already said, they're not going to put a cap on reproduction any time soon, so if we do want the planet to remain intact, what and how much we consume are all we can really focus on.

I live in the east of the country and there is more of a 'presence' of the protests. Enough people around town with an upside down flag and a red handkerchief on the car antenna. I would presume that the most people cannot stand behind the Farmer's Defence Force. Where the head of the group has likened the plight of Dutch farmers to the victims of the Holocaust.

Back to the teenager arrested in Friesland; I have my doubts if a deliberate shot at the tractor was really necessary. But for a teenager to climb behind the wheel at the end of the day to go to a protest on a motorway with heavy police presence, was a dumb ass decision. Luckily for him he's been released and charges have been dropped.

Bangladesh is about 1.5 times the size of Ireland, it has something like 100mn people and 160mn mid century.

No problem there.

Green politics should not just be a vehicle for moralising rich White people, that must change.

While I agree. I feel some big problems with the green agenda (perceived or otherwise) are

1) A lot of its most public advocates seem to adopt a do as I say not as I do approach....the jetting around to conferences, lavish lifestyles etc

2) Some sacred cow activities that produce large quantities of CO2 that most like doing are off the menu (for now at least)

3) Quite a number of proposed changes merely shift the CO2 production elsewhere..........as long as its off balance sheet for a country its ok if you slash and burn over there etc

4) Regardless of its beneficial effects it looks like it will increase food and energy insecurity in developed countries

5) Its nearly always the smaller business person/producer that gets driven out of business/has to pay for it while large companies/industries (many of them directly responsible through production/misinformation campaigns) get off seemingly scott free (make record profits in some cases)

6) Some of the changes while potentially ruinous to the small guy don't appear to achieve that much in the overall context.....I'm aware that smacks of whataboutery and everyone needs to do their part ...but...its a pretty big whatabout..............how can anyone do anything about developing nations or tell them they cant start living the lifestyles we had?.....................................in fact we seem to want to incentivise them by importing products and incentivising production activities in those countries......people seem to think its hopeless, like a virus we wont be able to halt the destruction of the environment that supports us.

As an aside some of those advocates mentioned in (1) above appear to be heavily invested in alternative products with questionable benefits if you consider things in the round (vested interests in business that benefit from the green agenda - you could argue that's just sound investment/good business but when the ones that advocate also own business that stand to benefit it does give pause for thought)

What are "mud people"?

The most compelling reasons to have children are transcendental/ supernatural/ religious reasons.

That's why someone who had 11 children sixty years ago might have 0 now. It has nothing to do with children being 'too expensive', which I often hear people say but that is false.

I think what people really mean when they say this is that their standard of living will take a massive hit, which is probably true but doesn't mean you "can't" have children that will survive to adulthood.

Intellectuals who believe CO2 is a poison are the big losers from an evolutionary-biological perspective.

Such people now often combine several maladaptive (from the pov of passing on your genes) beliefs: climate ideology, belief in contraception, belief in abortion, belief in dedicating your child-bearing years to education/career exclusively if a woman.

Indians, Bangladeshis, Sub-Saharan Africans and even Israelis are often more "fit" than Westerners in the Darwinian sense not due to greater intellect/intelligence but by having less self-destructive beliefs and motivations and better positive beliefs (a transcendental scope for the future via animism, Hinduism, Islam etc.)

I'm not sure what the point is of shuffling around populations through immigration is.

When you see activists embracing childlessness with zeal and a kind of bitter pride it is clear they are no-hoper **** walking into the sunset of genetic oblivion.

They could live a modest life in a cottage with a traditional trade or small business and raise children frugally but choose instead to be urban leftist nuisances with iPads and show-off bicycle paraphernalia.

Don't let these **** influence you.

They can't make confirmed precise, accurate predictions about future global temperature and climate - no one can.

The primary driver of climate is the sun - and nobody knows what the sun is going to do in the future.