What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Actually, I'd say that you're a mite confused here, as you're using examples for migration and multiculturalism which don't work very well. Mass immigration is the modern expression of multiculturalism, because the infrastructure has been put in place by the governments, NGOs, etc. That infrastructure is the layers of organisations that benefit from increasing populations of foreign cultural groupings.

The path of multiculturalism rests on the recognition of foreign cultural groups, and the provision of rights/supports/protections to those groups, elevating them above the average native from the host nation, as compensation for the natural advantages that the natives typically have through generational wealth, education received at source, etc. The thrust of multiculturalism is to promote the differences in cultural groups, so that foreign cultures remain separate from the native group. For multiculturalists, they want greater populations of foreign groups, because then, the differences become more obvious. With small populations, the impact of the differences is lessened, and that doesn't tend to increase the influence of the NGOs, activists, politicians, etc.

In both cases, of the UK and France, the majority of their inward immigration arose from their links to colonial possessions, along with the remnants of their African/M.East Adventures. Both the UK and France continued to play games in Africa and the M.East, even after relinquishing their actual territories, but also extended citizenship and other rights to the peoples from those colonies, or "allies". Their experiences with foreign cultures mostly doesn't come from mass immigration, as Ireland or other non-imperial/colonial empires, experienced. The dynamics are completely different.

The UK has had some success because the core groups of foreign cultures that came there, already had a foundation in English/British culture. India (or those within the commonwealth) continued, after independence, to push British educational standards in their own schools, with many Indians spending time around British people. There was an exchange of culture over decades...

I don't think anyone here has said that the UK is a complete failure. It certainly isn't. However, it's not any kind of success either. The degree of crime/violence that involves BAME in the UK is a good indication of that, and it's not limited to the cities. Same with the presence of BAME in unemployment or welfare statistics, or those who exist within the Shadow/Black economy.

As for France, they're royally screwed, but the demographics involved are very different from the UK, and there was never any kind of exchange of culture between the natives from Algeria, Morocco, etc and the French. They were seen as aggressive and brutal occupiers, and the immigrants brought their hatred of the French with them, when they immigrated to France proper.

Entirely different situations for both the UK and France... but even greater differences for the rest of Europe, when it comes to multiculturalism and immigration. Perhaps you should look at the poster children of multiculturalism... Germany and Sweden, both of whom lauded multiculturalism, and did encourage mass immigration.

The Irish have a terrible track record in making anyone responsible for the negatives that happen. It's not going to matter anyway.. the damage will have been done. And no, it's not going to work.. and in fact, we can already see the decline in hospitality by Irish people, the rise of tribalism, etc. And from looking at migrant groups, we can already see the expectations and sense of entitlement that is present elsewhere, which invariably leads to economic problems and social unrest.

There's simply too much wishful thinking going on. We're doing exactly the same as other European nations did, and we're expecting a different result. Forget the UK and France. We're doing the same as Denmark, Sweden, etc. All countries that had a high standard of living, relatively high cost of living, and decent economies within the first world nations. And yet, most of them are struggling now, both socially, and economically.

Significant inward migration and multiculturalism are not the same thing. I can't recall anyone saying that they were... but they go hand-in-hand.

Article here about Kinnegad, why is there never any questioning about the most basic things like how does a chef from Somalia wind up seeking asylum in Ireland? Why are all of these people men and why are we suddenly getting so many applications, perhaps because we're an incredibly soft touch?

"They are all men from countries such as Syria, Georgia, Somalia and Egypt.

According to the Department of Children and Integration, another 90 men will be housed at the premises in the coming weeks 'due to an unprecedented demand' in people seeking international protection.

This is despite the fact that the hotel has only 45 bedrooms, meaning that three people are required to share a room." https://extra.ie/2022/07/09/news/asylum-seekers-shock-at-sudden-move-to-kinnegad-where-locals-are-upset-they-were-not-informed

Taking into account, Irish people's contributions to Aid agencies in Africa, and other events (like Irish missionaries).. I suspect Irish people would be more welcoming to those from Africa, or those who are more tanned.

Honestly, I think we've been conditioned to be less welcoming to those who share our own skin colour. There's a certain white guilt being applied.

The only reason the "mass" involved with Ukraine happened, is because our government pushed it through before anyone had time to think about it. By the time questions began to be asked, the guilt trips began.. but I could easily see it happening for any skin colour, as long as they (politicians) could create some kind of sympatric link to transfer the guilt through. With Africans, it would likely be a throwback to the much loved "think of the starving children".

We've all be rather heavily conditioned over the last three decades. I genuinely don't think the skin colour would have mattered during the initial stages. Yes, later.. once the dust is settled, and the costs are realised, then people would react.. but that's why the govt pushed all this through so quickly, before they had reasonable ways to manage the "crisis". After all, a crisis is a grand way to distract attention away from what/how the political parties are doing domestically.

what I'd like to know is who decides where these refugees and asylum seekers go? Are there any in Dalkey, Greystones, Malahide, Glenageary? Or are they just flung into poorer places with less well heeled residents like Tullamore, Kinnegad, Portlaoise etc? Because if none are in Malahide where our Minister for Housing lives questions SHOULD be asked!! Towns and villages are being taken over, there are less Irish people about than refugees and asylum seekers, far more foreign accents and languages than English. Its frightening how quickly this is happening.

I don't agree that many people are more accepting of African/ darker skinned people than white skinned people. Since the murder of Aisling Murphy and the beheading of those 2 gentlemen in Sligo I am far more uncomfortable seeing groups of dark skinned men than I used to be. There are gangs of them around most towns now.

I don't buy the replacement idea. Populations are increasing, that's all. There is the movement of natives away from the rural/town areas towards the cities, or beyond, but honestly.. i don't see Irish people being replaced. The foreign groups certainly aren't taking over Irish businesses or general employment, except for the high skilled/educated that come in under contracts.

In Athlone, it's easy enough to see the demographic shifts during the day. There's plenty of Africans, and Eastern Europeans around.. but that's because the general population of the town are working during the day, and even before covid, people weren't that interested in spending time/money in the town itself.

Here is some info on direct provision centres and locations.

https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/reception-conditions/housing/types-accommodation/

http://doras.org/direct-provision/

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7aad0-minister-ogorman-publishes-the-white-paper-on-ending-direct-provision/

Also worthy of reference is the white paper on ending direct provision. Apart from getting own door accommodation while the incumbent population share houses etc there is this...

So whether or not you are an illegal it will not matter. Hence the amnesty.

So we have de facto open borders. No control on the social, environmental, economic impacts of this multicultural experiment.

Allegations of sexual assault in Kinnegad aside the place saw an approx increase in its population by 5% overnight.

Its all conditioning. Im sure it wont be long before RTE will be broadcasting another black history month

This might explain why it's mostly outside of Dublin

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