Second Captains Part II

you normally plant your non kicking foot.

if for whatever reason your non kicking foot is somehow strangely out of control the kicker should still be able to retain some bodily autonomy to not make a kicking action to a persons face. the movement of the left foot …I just don’t get, it seems guided.

paul Flynn’s view is totally acceptable. Whether it was deliberate or now and Flynn stopped short of saying it was deliberate; comerford still got a kick to the mush.

If you’re triggered it by Paul Flynn’s opinion I think you’re easily triggered and would do well to ask yourself if you got a kick to the face in this instance would you believe it was a total accident.

What's normally got to do with it? That's not what happened here. Surely you've seen it happen plenty of times where the planted foot also leaves the ground?

"kicking action" - every time anyone moves there foot forward could be construed as a kicking action. If there wasn't a head in the way of his foot this time, it would have been seen as it was - the natural laws of physics. Why would you think he had the ability in 0.2 seconds to guide his foot like that, when his now standing foot was getting clobbered and he had zero balance. Also his attention was on the football.

And "triggered"? Hah! Because I used the word "sh!te"? I think McConville might have used stronger terms when Flynn last came out with some nonsense re Dublin.

honestly find it strange that even at reasonable but not full speed, people believe an athlete of the oshea’s quality would have a completely out of control left leg that’s the player has lost all power over it. Can’t remember that ever happening to me.

the lad knew what he was doing. He was thick after the play acting and missing the penalty. He should have got a red card.

firstly if you don’t want to feed the trolls then it’s best off not actually quoting their posts. the idea is to not engage with them at all

Anyway, There is no trolling, it’s a difference of opinion. Paul Flynn and I is allowed to believe that O’Shea had more power over his limbs than what you and Oisin believe he has. I’m also allowed to believe that Kerry got a few kinder decisions off the ref over the course of the game.

its a pity Ken is off as no doubt he’d a being less mealy mouthed about it than Flynn was.

Rumours has it he is back in France wrestling pigs….

Extremely soft free. Bad decision.

Somebody a while back here suggested Ken was getting a divorce out of nowhere...

Good fun though ha

that Flynn was out of order in what he said is wrong and unfair. People ganging up on a guy who actually said something legitimate is bad form.

More proof here. As one of my posts said, when you hit a ball with your right you plant your left. This is what O’Shea did. We are supposed to believe the subsequent to this impact on the ball, that O’Shea goes from control of his planted left foot to completely losing control of it. That it becomes totally uncontrollable and ends up in this out of control phase to go towards comerfords face and make impact with O’Shea powerless to stop it.

it doesn’t make sense, if you have muscle memory from kicking a ball you should already know this. If you don’t, then try kicking a ball while accelerating towards it, plant your weaker foot and see if you lose all control of the weaker foot subsequent to planting it and hitting the ball. You won’t.

I know people want to portray dub players as the bad guys but do it to a point, the point where you demonise a GAA legend like Flynn for a perfectly legitimate call is bad form.

Ok, make your argument why assuming you think he should have been dragged away in this case?

I don’t see how. Your foot would be planted, why would you suddenly lose all control of it?

The O'Shea kick was a sneaky dirty strike and anyone who says otherwise has either never kicked a ball or is anti dub. (which is fine)

Should have been at least a yellow.

I didn't think the free at the end was that soft so I've no issue with that.

To say Flynn was embarrassing for brining something up which is at least debateable is nonsense.

Boards is a place for opinion, I do not need to provide evidence! But if you are looking for some, read the previous posts and watch the footage again.

yeah, the way I would see it aswell. It’s such an un-hot (tepid?) take to see it was a deliberate action once you see the footage and pictures around it. There’s a subtext aswell with the perception of Dublin that’s at play.

I'd listen to Lawrence Donegan all day. He's very refreshingly honest compared to the zombies on Sky Sports

Yeah he was excellent yesterday to be fair, when I compare him to the Sunday Game panel, he's a lot more entertaining

Yeah, the stories about Padraic Joyce were good.

Spoke too soon. Second half was excellent

Really enjoyed the book review show today - maybe the first time I have to be honest! I saw some complaints about it being Ritchie, but using a suitable known quantity works a lot better I think. Trying to shoe-horn some other guest's own story in with rough connections to a book just falls between two stools as an idea. Ritchie was the perfect go-between to properly talk about the book, while still having a few bits of personal insight to throw in. This show was primarily about the book, rather than him. He was also ideal having already done a great interview with Kimmage, so had a sense of the fella. Think they nailed this decision to be honest (Doddles would've been another great option, though of course would've drawn the same complaint).

I remember the show they did about the Miracle of Castel Del Sangro - loved the book and was looking forward to that show so much. And instead it was effectively just an interview with some rugby lad who lives in Italy who I couldn't've cared less about... they touched on the book a little bit, but only barely, and only to give another jumping off point for yer man to chat about his own life.

So of the two styles, for me, todays one is much better.