Next British PM

Godot. · 09-07-2022 11:16pm

Sunak sounds less dogmatic regarding the Protocol than the rest.

Seth Brundle · 09-07-2022 11:23pm

^^^ Kwasi Kwarteng looks to have the skills to replace Johnson

gmisk · 09-07-2022 11:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313346#Comment_119313346

I don't think he is that popular with people due to his performance as health secretary?

He also seems to have a few powerful enemies in the media e.g. Rebekah Brooks (head of news UK)

blackcard · 11-07-2022 2:45pm

When is the closing date for candidates to be nominated? When does the first ballot take place? Can there be more than 1 ballot in a day?

quokula · 11-07-2022 3:04pm

It says a lot about how far gone the Tories are that Jeremy Hunt is considered by many to be the best option there for a serious competent politician, when he was known as the most incompetent and least popular member of David Cameron's cabinet a few years ago.

Tom Tugenhadt would be a decent choice too. I think I recall him having some problematic opinions that British soldiers shouldn't be held to account for crimes in Northern Ireland, but as a Tory with a military background that's pretty much par for the course. In general he seems to have his head screwed on when it comes to policy.

Outside of those two there are really only bad options and terrible options.

Shelga · 11-07-2022 6:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119322001#Comment_119322001

I’d agree those two seem like the least dire. Maybe Penny Mordaunt too, as she’s not too closely associated with Boris and wasn’t a fan of his, but then again she was pro Brexit so presumably logic is not her forte. She also bizarrely featured the deceased Labour MP Jo Cox in her campaign video, for some unknown reason, and had to change it.

Sunak’s campaign seems to be centered around rebuilding the country, as if it slipped his mind that he’s been Chancellor for the last 2 years and his party has been in government for the last 12.

Truss is truly vile- no spine whatsoever, lacking in any kind of intelligence or wit, and would probably be the worst PM from an Irish POV other than Braverman- who is so dim that she hasn’t a hope, even amongst Tories.

A truly abysmal crop of self-serving charlatans.

Sam Russell · 11-07-2022 6:51pm

Unfortunately not only are the candidates a truly abysmal crop of self-serving charlatans, so are the MPs voting for them.

Not much chance of any successful candidate bringing any good news for Ireland.

blackcard · 11-07-2022 9:09pm

So 20 MP's required for a candidate to go forward to the first ballot on Wednesday. Any candidate getting less than 30 votes in the ballot will be eliminated. That should thin out the field

blackcard · 11-07-2022 10:58pm

I think that you may get tactical voting in the ballots. Sunak seems to be the most popular amongst the MP's whilst Penny Morduant is most popular amongst the membership. His supporters amongst the MP's may vote for someone else who is not as popular with the membership for the second place

11-07-2022 11:03pm

If she can get through the first round, Kemi Badenoch is a dark-horse, for me.

Tory voters will love her anti-PC rhetoric.

Shelga · 12-07-2022 2:06pm

Patel out. Her as PM would have been truly awful. Hateful woman.

Sam Russell · 12-07-2022 2:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326665#Comment_119326665

You could add a few names of hateful people.

amacca · 12-07-2022 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326665#Comment_119326665

Thank the powers that be for small mercies at least.

cml387 · 12-07-2022 3:10pm

I just wonder that when it comes down to the nitty gritty, the Conservative membership will baulk at electing a non-white leader.

You can say that the front bench represents a range of ethnic minorities who presumably were selected originally by local party membership but when it comes to electing a PM..?

ancapailldorcha · 12-07-2022 3:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327054#Comment_119327054

That can be circumvented by having just one candidate. The party membership only come into play when the PCP narrow it down to two candidates.

cml387 · 12-07-2022 3:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327086#Comment_119327086

Sorry I don't understand. There will be two candidates presented to the membership for consideration. That was always the intention.

Strazdas · 12-07-2022 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119315370#Comment_119315370

Yes, Sunak was actually a Brexiteer in 2016 but he doesn't seem to share the right wing xenophobia / racism / Europhobia of some of his colleagues. I get the feeling he'd be quite okay on the Protocol.

Larbre34 · 12-07-2022 3:29pm

Ordinary Tories in kippy little English towns who wear Union Flag T-shirts and drink at the local Conservative Club are inherently and unmovably racist. I've seen it up close with in-laws of mine in middle England.

If it comes down to Sunak and Mordaunt, it'll be Mordaunt, or it'll be Truss or Tugendhat, completely irrespective of the support Sunak might have in the Parliamentary Party.

If it comes down to Sunak and Javid, or Zahawi, prepare to see minds blown 😂

(Neither Braverman nor Badenoch will get near the final two)

ancapailldorcha · 12-07-2022 3:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327118#Comment_119327118

We don't know that yet. In 2016, Theresa May and Andrea Leadsom were vying to be leader until Leadsom's absurd remarks about motherhood torpedoed her chances. May ran unopposed with no need for a vote. It's entirely possible that one of the final two could be bought off by the offer of the chancellorship for instance, nullifying the need for a vote.

cml387 · 12-07-2022 3:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327156#Comment_119327156

They've thought of that. Apparently it's a condition of being in the race that you promise you won't pull out subsequently.

Shelga · 12-07-2022 3:38pm

Andrea Leadsom is supporting Penny Mordaunt for PM, and was rhapsodising about her at length on C4 News last night. I would have liked to see the interviewer ask her why she was supporting a woman who is not a mother, as that was so important a factor to her during the leadership race in 2016.

She tried to backtrack at the time, but her exact words to the Sunday Times were:

"I am sure Theresa will be really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't, because I think that would be really horrible, but genuinely I feel that being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake. She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children who are going to have children who will directly be a part of what happens next."

As if anyone who doesn't have kids can't possibly care as much about the future of the country as someone who has procreated. It was a horrible attitude and she was rightly denounced- it was a big factor in her failing in the race, if I recall.

But I guess all that's different now she's not competing herself. Consistency is not a strong point with any of these Tories, is it.

ancapailldorcha · 12-07-2022 3:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327181#Comment_119327181

The current Conservative party is not known for keeping promises. I doubt many northern English feel levelled up for instance.

blackcard · 12-07-2022 3:51pm

Grant Shapps has pulled out. Both he and Dominic Raab are backing Sunak. I expect that there will be a few more withdrawals by tomorrow. It looks certain that Sunak will be one of the two candidates to go forward to the membership vote

cml387 · 12-07-2022 3:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327203#Comment_119327203

I don't think they'll be allowed a stitch up like that again.

BTW shortly after that leadership contest ended Andrea Leadsome was down in Kerry walking Mt Brandon

ancapailldorcha · 12-07-2022 4:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327313#Comment_119327313

Why? Who'll stop them?

Strazdas · 12-07-2022 5:09pm

This appears to be the final shortlist :

Sunak, Mordaunt, Tugendhat, Truss, Hunt, Braverman (won't be confirmed until 6pm though).

Sam Russell · 12-07-2022 5:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327369#Comment_119327369

I would imagine that the cost of polling 200,000 members at a minimum of £5 each (plus) might temper the enthusiasm for such a poll. [A postage stamp each way, plus an envelope inside an envelope, plus election literature, plus instructions - that might up the cost].

I am sure there are better things on which Tory Central Office might wish to spend £1 million pound or more. If one candidate is well ahead, the second place one could just call it a day - and all over by next Friday, and they can all go away to the sun in the knowledge that the clown era is over - for the time being anyway.

Strazdas · 12-07-2022 6:22pm

A shortlist of eight confirmed : Badenoch, Braverman, Hunt, Mordaunt, Sunak, Truss, Tugendhat, Zahawi

Sam Russell · 12-07-2022 6:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327712#Comment_119327712

Full list:

Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman, Jeremy Hunt, Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss, Tom Tugendhat and Nadhim Zahawi

None inspire me one bit.

[But then I am not a right wing Brexiteer].

nigeldaniel · 12-07-2022 8:07pm

Well, my pennies worth is on Penny... She has Davis in her corner and that is an indicator of things.

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