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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Sorry I know you are sale agreed but I guess you have asked the question...

    I would be very hesitant to buy in that area. Before Covid there were some signs it was improving but in the last few years it has gone majorly downhill. The litter alone is terrible. Drumcondra is the same, it is overrun with rubbish and dirt and there is a lot of trouble in the area.

    Dublin in general in my opinion is gone to the dogs. I bought here a number of years pre Covid when there was no WFH and most of the employment was centred here. It was a thriving city for a number of years. Im stuck here now as kids are settled but I would strongly encourage anyone with the choice, to get out!.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 calculatingspace


    Thanks for your comment. Sale agreed, but no contracts signed yet, so we can always drop out.

    Yeh the littler is horrible, I agree. Sorry to hear you're not enjoying Dublin anymore. Do you live around this area? Maybe a move to a more suburban location would suite you? I still like Dublin, it works for me, my work and my hobbies. So can't really imagine living anywhere else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 calculatingspace


    Thanks for your comment. Yeh, Sherrard st is definitely not a nice street. I'm just gonna try and stay away from that area and mainly walk towards Phibs, Drumcondra and Glasnevin.

    Don't mind driving to the shops, no big supermarkets where we live at the moment either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2


    I live quite close by in Drumcondra which I guess is borderline suburbia. Its overrun with rubbish and scumbags yet the houses sell for massive money, I have no idea why.

    I think prices are going to fall in this area over time as more and more people head for the country. Unless you are from here, there is no incentive to live around here anymore. Something ironic in the fact that the tech hubs that made Dublin so vibrant will most likely be its downfall as they facilitate WFH and country living.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    I live off Dorset street. I'm not sure if I would buy there but I have lived here for about 5 years now and I can't remember ever having any hassle myself. As mentioned above Mountjoy park is dodgy enough looking but there is the narrow park by the canals near Drumcondra station. Blessington basin is nice as well and there is a nice park just off that that takes you up towards phibsboro. For grocery shopping, I would just head to Parnell street, there is a Lidl, Aldi and a Tesco there and they are decent sizes.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭DataDude


    After it looked like monthly price inflation was about to go negative after a sharp slowdown in April (to 0.1%). They’ve now revised that up to 0.4% and also posted 0.8% for May. Back to very strong growth numbers - surprising!

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rppi/residentialpropertypriceindexmay2022/



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Looks to be a serious lag in that data.

    The recent upturn in prices started, according to the data in November 2020, but we all know that it was the lockdown, cheaper interest rates, and low supply that ushered in the latest boom, which happened approx May 2020.

    The rate of increase has flat-lined and is now trending down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Keep in mind it takes 3-6 months to close a sale..the data can be accurate but also months behind current activity



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yes, Correct.

    Details for last month, as in May 2022 may have been for properties gone Sale Agreed as far back as November 2021.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Agreed it’s hugely lagging. But it looked like it was about to start capturing the slowdown which started earlier this year. I’ve no doubt it’ll flatten/go negative in the months ahead. But just the sudden flip back up for April/May, reversing trend from last couple of months isn’t what most would have expected.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Blub123


    own house went sale agreed after interest from 3 bidders

    top bidder came back yesterday with a revised bid nearly 100k under what was agreed citing cosmetic work that they would need to do even tho the house is finished to a very high standard.

    2nd and 3rd bidder have gone sale agreed elsewhere.

    there's a special place in hell for absolute time wasters like this.

    estate agent in question has black balled him with respect of bids for properties he has in the area but does me little good.

    back to the drawing board & 2 months of the summer season wasted



  • Registered Users Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    @Blub123 sorry to hear that. How did they only come out now with the €100k figure?! Like surely when viewing it then they would have had a fair idea of what they needed to do?! Was it something that came out in the engineers report?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,930 ✭✭✭amacca


    That's awful behaviour....It happens on both sides of transactions from time to time. My sympathy for all that's worth.


    I hope the person that did that has a similar experience down the line.



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Blub123


    no engineers report.

    Simply asked could they view it again. Only difference here was that a father of one of the couple was with them. Estate agent confirmed that all was rosey when they were leaving with no issues whatsoever and then an email in with the amended offer.

    House is finished to a really high standard.

    Estate agent called it what it was - bul$hit



  • Administrators Posts: 53,845 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Sounds like chancers to be honest. The father, who probably hasn't bought a house in 30 odd years but considers himself an expert in the process, is trying to low ball you.

    These people think it's a game, I'd tell them to take a hike and just relist the house.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Sounds like the bank may have not valued the house for the bid he put in.

    In fairness, there was a lot of crazy bidding going on for the past 18 months or so. That may be over now, so people may be coming to their senses a bit.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Blub123


    given the location & spec of the property agreed.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,845 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Bank valuations don't really work like that either, the bank just check the price agreed is roughly in the right ball park. If they were seriously concerned, they'd have come to take a proper look at your house.

    But, even if the bank did value it lower, the buyer would have told you this as it's a far stronger reason for revising an offer than "needs cosmetic work".

    They are just trying to low ball you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Depending on the gross price, might be worth going back and offering €10k off or something like that. Supply has ramped up considerably, maybe offer the price the second highest bidder put in, they might be happy to get a small victory etc.

    Supply on myhome has increased from 10711 on Jan 22 to 14476 today...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭wassie


    What was the ball park figure you went sale agreed on? Reason I ask is that it gives context.

    €100k on €500k is a 20% reduction which I would view as taking the mickey.

    €100k on a €1.2m is only an 8.3% drop which may be worth a hit in order to save a sale.



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    Was just about to ask the same thing. €100k is meaningless without knowing the sale agreed price



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Blub123


    €100k on €500k is a 20% reduction which I would view as taking the mickey. .....spot on......WERE YOU IN MY HOUSE RECENTLY???? ..ah if I cant laugh at the situation I'll go mad🙄



  • Administrators Posts: 53,845 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    These sorts of buyers are just a massive pain in the hoop, they are delusional time wasters.

    I assume you've already told them to PFO. 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,609 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Most of that extra supply is small LL's exiting the rental market. When there go either are gone. Totally different properties m, most rentals will need refurbishment, some a major refurb. If you show weakness to a shower of sh!ts like this you might as well throw your had at it.

    Bet they come back with there tails between there legs

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Maybe bass is right. It depends on whether you want to teach the buyer a lesson or sell your house.

    Just saw this today.

    bungalow, long way from anywhere, 900k and euro collapsing. Maybe the market will keep rising?



  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭LJ12345


    I’m curious if there’s any data in relation to the upswing in houses on the market, I know people are saying it’s rentals coming on but there’s been a high number of rentals coming to market for some time and they’ve been hoovered up. I’m guessing this isn’t the whole story. Anyone know the levels of buying still from local authorities and if funds are backing off like they are in the US? Funds I’d guess borrow money to purchase and if it’s a US fund borrowing at US interest rates that would have stopped them in their tracks or do they just borrow elsewhere. I suspect bonds are becoming a more attractive proposition to them than housing at the moment.

    There is so much going on at the moment, euro is weakening, cheaper to buy with USD if they’re still buying from US currency.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    The main source of funding for the funds is from investors with a small portion borrowed from banks. Where the slow down in funds buying property will come from is due to investors being able to get a better return elsewhere due to rising rates.

    Irish property is still attractive as you have guaranteed cash flow that is linked to inflation thanks to government 25 year leases and extremely high demand due to the housing crisis and not to mention that you have a floor on rents thanks to RPZ



  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭LJ12345


    i hear you, although rents are capped at 2% so it might impact investor sentiment towards housing if inflation continues the way its going.

    I’m Conscious that Investors have been hit badly with the stock markets too, are they not likely to flow to a safer haven than housing which at some stage is likely to be the next domino to fall.

    i guess at this stage until the current sales data flows through to the ppr the only ones that know the shifting market conditions are estate agents and builders.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    It’s not capped on new builds which is where the funds are investing.

    you also forget that property is a hedge against inflation which will attract investors looking to hedge risk. You also assume that house prices will drop despite the fact that less new property will hit the market due to increasing costs and the fact that we have returned to a high net immigration figure which ensures a steady demand.

    As I have said before real house prices ( inflation adjusted) may drop but it is unlikely that nominal values will drop as long as inflation remains high.



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