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Do you want a general election now?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    No I don't want a general election now.

    The Green party have been in government twice. Once we hit the biggest crash ever, second we hit the biggest World crisis maybe ever.

    Now please explain to me why you can blame the Greens for the poor infrastructure we have in place, as soon as the Greens try to implement anything they get thrown out of government and blamed for stuff they never done. I seen people complaining because they shut down the ESB plants when that was done before the last election.

    Ireland is so **** at public transport and the Green agenda because we haven't had a party involved with some sort of Green agenda. Don't be thinking that SF care, in the last manifesto they scribbled something on the last page and only came up with something now because everyone laugh at them. They have zero plans.

    Any party who doesn't run in the next election with investment into public transport as a core principle they should be shown the door

    Instead of asking to "build the road" EVERYONE should be asking to "build the public transport". The roads are built



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Something to consider for the next election, everytime a small party is involved in government they take the blame if it goes wrong. No sooner had the Greens gone into government they got blamed for decision made years ago. We have years of the same with labour etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Ireland left the IMF bailout in 2013 and it didn't matter which party was in power during it, their hands were tied by the IMF.

    The economy could have sunk like a dead duck from then but instead its continuously grown through a lot of government & IDA hard work to bring big companies and jobs here, I honestly think our economy would still be stagnating if we had been sending SF ministers abroad, Facebook and Google CEOs aren't going to be taking photos with anyone who has ties to the IRA and SF are notoriously anti-big business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Can you imagine SF negotiating Brexit? It required calmer heads, not screaming and shouting.





  • Yes I want a general election now.

    Great in one way, but over-reliance on Big Tech could be part of our downfall. It’s part of why housing has become unattainable for so many.



  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭cezanne


    Yes I want a general election now.

    Yes general election now please cant bear the thought of that smug WEF cuck Leo as taoiseach again. Cant stand his ireland hating face & the fact that his is ex WEF makes him a bad choice for our little country, that is already drowning & struggling . Wish we had a strong leader who was self reliant and didnt need millions spent on spin to make him likeable. A real patriot would be a bonus someone who could say:

    " ok gates closed lets get our house in order before we take in any more renegades. Lets get some housing for our own people and then we can open the discussion in Europe when that issue is solved. Also I want some real action in health, so we will focus on those two issues for the next 12 months. We will also suspend the carbon green hoax for now until maybe China & India do something about their coal use and their massive gases & planet destruction. OK lads lets get on with it, i don't need foundation and make up **** off, we are a government not a reality tv series". if you are only here for spin and Tv appearances leave your fob at the door on your way out workers only, to many faeries in this cabinet doing woke tasks and wrecking the country. This must stop NOW "



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Or maybe someone who welcomes contributors in and encourages our "own" takers to emigrate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    No I don't want a general election now.

    A SF Government supported by PBP etc. wouldn't last p1ssing time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Yes I want a general election now.

    would yea go way outta that nonsense, the imf have a history of wondering around the planet, annihilating counties, so, ta-dah!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    No I don't want a general election now.

    God, not this nonsense again, I think you will change your views once you move to second year economics. We didn't have to invite them in. The country bounce back, so I don't think we were annihilated. We could also have had sensible borrowing limits during the bubble and we wouldn't have ever needed to have them here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,366 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Absolutely nothing which is why I voted no. The challenges would still be there and a repeat of the protracted government forming negotiations won’t help things. I also could do with weeks of politicians of all stripes stuffing leaflets into my letterbox and then calling and promising the moon and the stars and some magic fix.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Yes I want a general election now.

    yea yea, whatever! the imf cookbook, trade liberalization, privatize everything, including the air, and crush everything with austerity, oh yea, this really really works well!!! poor ould sri lanka is fcuked! again, what bounce back, how has the life of the average person bounced back, yes if you re lucky to own assets, their value has been doing pretty good, up until late of course, but if you dont own assets, well you re fcuked! yea we really did bounce didnt we! sensible borrowing during the bubble, while we were running a surplus, wtf! keep believing you re own sh1te there! facts once again included!




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    No I don't want a general election now.

    I meant sensible mortgage borrowing limits, you know, like we have now. You can't really borrow 6-10 times income and expect things to go well. I think you are the classic Dunning-Kruger victim, you read something in a book, latched onto it and think you are now an expert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Sinn Fein negotiating Brexit for Britain based on being in Northern Ireland? It certainly wouldn't be as the Irish government.

    I thought the EU had Michel Barnier as chief negotiater and that he was never a member of any Irish political party.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes I want a general election now.

    What did Fianna Gael do to fix the economy?

    The economy was turned around because of the hard work of Irish taxpayer's getting out of bed in the morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Michel Barnier didn't negotiate it on his own you know and luckily we had politicians that were respected in both the UK and the EU. I can't see Rathgar Mary Lou's common person shtick, Pierce Doherty's burst an eyeball shouting or self published housing expert Eoin O'Broin getting the same respect. That is before we even get into the party's history with the UK. It wouldn't have gone down well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Why did it turn around more dramatically than almost any other country? The government parties have generally been pretty good with the macro decisions. Basically anything that doesn't involve changing how state/semi state workers do their jobs, they don't manage any of that well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Yes I want a general election now.

    again, under such conditions, financialisation kicks in, and the aim of the game is to keep pushing up the value of assets, in particular in relation to property and land, its a scam! you end up with the fire sectors effectively dictating policy, i.e. exactly what we still have now! yes citizens have limited abilities to borrow, but investment funds, and larger businesses can borrow till their bellies are well fattened, oh and they eventually end up monopolizing such markets! dunning-kruger me arse, people know whats going on, theyre not stupid, plenty can seen exactly whats going on!



  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭cezanne


    Yes I want a general election now.

    World Economic Forum one of klaus'es little lap dogs like Trudeau but lower down the greasy pole ! But none the less climbing up that greasy pole at OUR expense !



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    No I don't want a general election now.

    Oh, lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    No I don't want a general election now.

    I think there were lots of civil servants and legal experts on both sides. The Irish government didn't do much direct negotiation.

    The way its gone I'm not sure previous relationships with the UK made much difference or are you saying the whole northern ireland protocol issue would be even worse now because British Irish relations are not exactly at anything close to a high.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in SF that that they misjudged this so badly, yet again all talk but never did the research or work to make sure this motion had a chance of passing.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No I don't want a general election now.

    No. Not necessary.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭spontindeed


    Yes I want a general election now.

    Constituent voters need to dump fake independent TD's like Matt Shanahan, Cathal Berry, Richard Ó’Donoghue, Peter Fitzpatrick, Marc MacSharry and Denis Naughten. These Independent TD's voted for Government, as expected (many of them are former members of the Government parties). It proves that they don't have morals. In most other Countries, Independent TD's like these would've voted against the Government. Only in Ireland...


    #Kildare-South, #Limerick-County, #Louth, #Roscommon-Galway, #Waterford, #Sligo-Leitrim

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  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭spontindeed


    Yes I want a general election now.

    TBH, I hope the British Government scraps the NI protocol because it benefits Irish consumers who can head north to buy lower-priced goods thus starving penny-pinching Varadkar's Government of VAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,325 ✭✭✭howiya


    No I don't want a general election now.

    You've mentioned six TDs there. Three of them didn't vote with the government.

    One was abroad, one voted against and another abstained (what's the point).



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Not a big fan of those elected just abstaining in votes just doing nothing except seeing how things go to keep on the safe side .



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes I want a general election now.

    Not sure exactly why but id say we were so low in the last recession that the only way was up from there.

    Our exports boomed

    Min wage was something like €8.65ph

    People emigrated and some brought back savings and spent it.

    Multi national tech companies came and invested heavily.

    Our national debt has almost tripled i believe to over €250 billion. I don't think that's a measure of success.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭spontindeed


    Yes I want a general election now.

    Abstaining is effectively voting with Government. Matt Shanahan for example did this but I think most people knew from his track record that he is a Government supporter. Voters need to be extremely careful whenever an Independent runs for election in their constituency. If in doubt, don't transfer your vote to them. Always conduct research on the background of any Independent candidate to see if they are former members of any political party and usually that will tell you all you need to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No I don't want a general election now.

    You're in an echo-chamber of one there spontindeed.

    Suggesting constituency voters not vote for certain independents because they may support the Government is beyond naive.

    You don't think the good people of Tipp vote for Mick Lowry in huge numbers each time because he fails to deliver for his Constituency, do you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Whoever voted for anyone they didn't think could benefit them be it because of the individual or the party they represent.

    For example historically it was said FF was good for the small farmers and FG for the big farmers.

    It doesn't matter whether it was true or not but there probably wasn't many small farmers voting FG or many big ones FF if they believed it to be true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    I'd love to see Mary Sue show what sinn fein have done in Northern Ireland over the past few years - especially in the many areas they have council control.


    Feck all


    I have family up there. Had been living outside Craigavon for the past 12 months (back in the south since last week) and they are considered to be utterly appalling.


    It's why the thinking classes voted for the Alliance.


    But up north, sinn fein have been pathetic and the homeless situation is far far worse than in the south. And it is especially prevalent in Sinn fein council areas of Belfast Derry and Strabane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No I don't want a general election now.

    National debt has indeed exceeded €240 billion (last figure I heard from the. NTMA) €40 billion of which was on Covid measures.

    Thanks to the careful targetting of that funding, to keep jobs open and businesses alive, as well as the highly effective public health measures, the economy and indeed the society has remained strongly resilient and activity has bounced back beyond all predicted metrics.

    As for the debt, yes the number is high, but thanks to the huge growth, not just in GDP, but in mGNI reflecting domestic activity, the national debt is fast reducing as a percentage of the size of the economy and thats the main takeaway.

    I hear there on the news that Bernard Durkan (FG) has Covid and was refused a pairing arrangement by (childish) Sinn Féin. So really, tonight's vote should have been 86 to 66, just for the record.

    See you for the election in Feb 2025.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes I want a general election now.

    It only kicked the can down the road lad.

    That money has to be repayed sometime sooner rather than later and I struggle to see how it will be without wrecking havoc.

    40 billion was borrowed to keep businesses shut



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Just catching up. So after all the hot air and BS and decent amount of social media clicks they easily coasted through the vote and are soon off on the summer holidays.


    What a waste of time.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Milena Eager Bungalow


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Mary-Lou is a disaster and has to go.

    To proceed with the motion of no confidence was a catastrophic decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    No I don't want a general election now.

    No,

    it costs millions to run a general election.

    the likelihood is the same two parties will end up back in government.

    So that’s a rather expensive tab for the taxpayers to be picking up, just to get the same FF/FG set up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Nah it kept the online supporters busy for a few days.

    Any other party supporters would be wondering what the f**k they are up to but we actually see supporters on here thinking this was a great thing to do. Mind boggling



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    No I don't want a general election now.

    A waste of time when they could be actually doing their jobs. This is exactly the same as SF up the North, fart around doing nothing all the time and then blame everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    No I don't want a general election now.

    If only I could gift you 1 millions "Thanks" I would

    You are 100% spot on.


    I would expect the usual point

    SF = good

    everyone else = bad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Who's kicking anything down the road?

    The Exchequer's ability to bear increased borrowing and service it more cheaply and more effectively is greater than it ever has been, thanks to the expanding economy and increasing population.

    Ireland's problem in the past was pro-cyclical fiscal policy. And although inflationary risks need careful minding, the best thing the Government can do now, in this time of global slowdown and challenging conditions, is invest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Accurate.

    I watched a bit of the early debate and it was evident she hardly believed her own bullsh1t that she was reading out.

    A massive tactical misstep and just the sort of thing that leadership rumbles are made of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    No I don't want a general election now.

    To be honest she should have got the boot in the local election in 2019 when SF got a hammering.

    Then going into the 2020 election totally misread the situation and didn't run enough candidates

    Then after that, went out and proclaimed to the press she would be the next Taoiseach, then of course went into hiding because SF didn't want to be in government during Covid.

    But who would replace her?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes I want a general election now.

    Ah lad if you can't see the consequences or problems of borrowing money forever to run the country there's no point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No I don't want a general election now.

    You're taking meaning from my post that I haven't said.

    All Countries, bar a few oil sheikhdoms, borrow. It is the tool that balances peaks and troughs in the economy. It is the financing for infrastructure and strategic investment.

    We have the FAC and the NTMA and the ESRI and the Central Bank and the Euro Central Bank and the IMF and the European Commission and the OECD, all keeping a watching brief on borrowing policy and there have been very few reservations expressed across the whole pandemic and war/energy crisis about the Government approach.

    A lot of what was added to the Government debt isn't just sovereign borrowing, its interest free stimulus from the EU €750 billion fund, the first created on the EU's own sovereign assets.

    We are in a massively fortunate position to be able this flexibility to see us out of the difficult decade ahead by targetted investment, in people and services.

    As An Tánaiste said earlier, Sinn Féin don't seem to realise that there is a cake and that their policies will make the cake smaller for everyone and bring the prosperity that the Nation does enjoy, to a crashing halt.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes I want a general election now.

    Wheel see about all this in time lad, I'm not to optimistic that this is going to end well.

    As for the eating cake thing, we all no what happens when we eat too much of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No I don't want a general election now.

    When the economy is booming, you take money out. When the economy is in serious headwinds (which as one of the most open in the World, ours is) you spend, spend, spend baby.

    The clever bit is knowing when to be doing one and not the other, which I wouldn't trust SF to know in a million years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    No I don't want a general election now.

    Will Paddy Cosgrave run for SF next time out?



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