Mass Protest in the Netherlands by Farmers.

I see that post was thanked 30 times or so. Essentially because of Science! or the Green Religion, a highly food producing economic sector needs to be destroyed. The fallout of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (in the wake of which Russia, PRC and India use food and fertiliser as diplomatic weapons and its grain cannot be sufficiently export and is oft stolen by Russia, who themselves are a vast grain producer and do not need to do that) has shown how weak world food supplies are at present. Perhaps some of these Green true believers need an Irish farm and lorry strike or blockade, resulting in shortages, to awake them to reality, but it might just make them sneer harder at the unenlightened poors. A strike and blockade might happen, given how the Glasraí (they're veggies) want to essentially destroy cattle farming and the road haulage sector while FF-Fine Gael probably care more about their careers right now than farmer voter outrage. Sustainability just means the sort of high cost hobby techniques which would make food scarce and unaffordable. Making already pressed people pay for heating and travel, banning turf sales isn't enough. Irish people need to suffer, must be their thinking.

At least the people struck back a little against the Green 'sustainable' agenda in Sri Lanka (which had wrecked the agri sector and ultimately crashing their economy):

https://www.themorning.lk/president-says-fertiliser-policy-opposed-by-entrenched-lobbies/

But Ireland is part of the EU, which is 500 million people, there are EU climate targets, that's hardly irrelevant?

I was unaware of any plans to cull the amount of cattle, is this going to happen? Surely FF/FG wouldn't allow that to happen? I think you overestimate how much power the Greens have, I am pretty sure the herd is increasing rather than decreasing.

Do you just think the EU or even no one should try and decrease emissions because other countries will carry on doing the same as usual?

this muppet posting years old Tweets from Poland, but it's all a MSM cover up don't you know!

China has close to 3 times the population of the EU. So does India and both have made it clear that when it`s a choice between CO2 emissions from coal burning and their economies, their economies win hands down. Japan, a country on it`s own with one quarter of the population of the EU the same.

To add insult to injury green ideology is driving the Chinese use of coal. China is the world leader in solar panel production and are not just using coal as an energy source to produce them but slave labour as we. They are also predicted to become world leaders in EVs. Even Germany is getting in on the act. Back to burning coal and exploring for oil and gas. Finland back to harvesting peat for generating electricity. Here we have exploration banned, (other than strangely for old and silver), thanks to the Green Party, attempting to ban LNG, and faffing about on communities of 500 or less being allowed by law to sell or gift turf only within those communities.

If you do not know that the Irish Green party are pushing for a 30% reduction of our cattle herd then you need to get out more. And it`s a poor half arsed excuse that FF and FG should not allow that to happen. Citing the EU as the reason for such reduction in herd numbers doesn`t hold much water either. Not according to the EU Commissioner for Agriculture Janusz Wojciechowski. Meeting with 120 representatives of the IFA at the Irish Farm Center on the 30th May 2022, 6 weeks ago, he said It is absolutely not the intention of the EU to reduce animal or livestock farming.

What I think we should do is what everybody else is doing. Look after our own and cut out the green ideological nonsense that somehow our showing a good example by wrecking our economy is going to make the real large scale emitters change their ways.They showed that they have no intention of changing at the COP26 beanfeast even if greens are running from admitting it.

You may need to read my post again. I did not say I believed the E.U. should do nothing. When it comes to the Irish Green party they are only doing a pick and mix of what suits their ideology and ignoring what does not as far as the EU is concerned anyway. I said we should do the same as the real major emitters, as well as many others are doing. Look after our own economy rather than wrecking it based on an airy fairy Green Party belief that in doing so al the major emitters will change their ways and do likewise.

So you believe the Irish Green Party faffing around wasting government time and resources rather than dealing with the real problems we have is an irrelevance. Their in government, not a playschool.

According to the EU Commissioner for Agriculture the EU has no problem with our herd numbers. Food security is more their concern. Not surprising and perhaps the EU is learning. Their 2019 banning of certain pesticides without any alternatives resulted in farmers moving away from planting certain crops. Not least of those wheat where last year due to 700,000 Ha less wheat being grown there was 11 million tonnes less of wheat grain. They looked a bit foolish complaining about Russia`s war resulting in less wheat grain globally where Ukraine`s total annual export was 20 million tonnes, when an EU stroke of a pen added 11 million tonnes to that 20 million.

The Greens to me appear to be asking for/backing rules/regs that may drive smaller farmers out of business and suit intensive production more and this produce more GHGs

On top of that I think if we reduce production in the EU ....it will just drive more production into areas outside the EU................to places where slash and burn is the policy....so remove the vegetation taking in and incorporating the CO2 .....then release its stored CO2 as you burn it and in turn put cattle on this area (possibly not all that suitable for it and needing intensive feeding)......

to take a specific example in ireland, most places if they are not factory farms can have cattle/livestock out min 7 months of the year grazing on pastures established for generations....that's got to be better than slash and burn but instead of incentivizing that and looking to work towards improving prices for extensively reared older animals (which would result in less numbers in national herd they want more "efficiency" and lower slaughter ages which imo = more heads/more throughput for lower price per kilo and more inputs (of imported soy/maize) favouring merchants and intensive producers and leading to more GHGs......Greens my hole imo, this from the party that if I'm not mistaken incentivized diesel vehicles, prominent members of which mused about rewinding parts of wicklow by releasing wolves and didn't see much problem with mentioning people might grow veg in their window boxes during pandemic............its hard to have faith in these cretins...if you are a party of science there should be depth and an ability to defend your policies because yhey are based on more than just an ideology or targetting low hanging fruit which wont solve the problem and will probably make it worse.......a randomer like me on an Internet forum should be able to pick holes in them....

It's a global problem that requires a global solution.....which is why I'm not hopeful of a solution especially in a world where a party like the current greens get their way.....

Is how pork produced any more sustainable here in Ireland? Or chicken? I saw a lot of things in the news lately about how chicken manure is damaging the environment in places like Donegal.