Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Ok then. Show your figures of how many people have died from the vaccine. I expect you to ignore the request like every other request for evidence posed to you so far.

So, you are saying that 1/125,000 will die from the vaccine (any COVID-19 vaccine it must be added). To come to that conclusion, you must have evidence of vaccine deaths, how many have occurred in Ireland? Given the anti-vax hysteria around them, a person like yourself would surely have this number (and again I notice others having to do simple math for you, were you unable to do it yourself, or were you just afraid of having to present some tiny bit of evidence finally?).

They stopped giving it to people in Norway who had days left to live, guidance was updated internationally for this as well (they wouldn't normally give any treatments bar palliative care to people in this group, even minor treatments are avoided or are done with the risks known where the alternate is a lot of pain for the person).

There is 0 evidence of the Covid-19 vaccines having caused 32 deaths in Ireland hence your opinion is wrong. You may get to this number in the UK with some of the Adenovector vaccines and the blood clots they could cause.

Also interesting that you are now mentioning the older groups where the CFR for SARS-COV2 is much higher than the rest of the population (hence why most vaccines are put in terms of risk/benefit with the benefit of SARS-COV2 vaccines being higher than many childhood vaccines).

Again, this has now turned to the realm of anti-vax wishcasting.

Yea, you're still not explain why you believe that number is too low. You're not explaining the reason for that claim.

You are simply stating that you think it's too low because you think it's too low.

That's not a good argument and it's not a good basis for an opinion.

And as usual you are misrepresenting my position in a display of sheer hypocrisy.

I didn't say "the global media would be demanding answers" for anything over 3000 deaths.

I said that if 40,000 people were killed by the vaccine that this would have been noticed and reported on.

Remember you guys were wailing about the slightly increased occurrence of myocarditis. This was a tiny number that was detected and studied extensively and the majority of those cases weren't fatal.

Remember also that one vaccine was paused yo much media fan fare because of the POSSIBILITY of slightly increased risk of (mostly non fatal) blood clots. This was based on a few dozen cases.

You are arguing that experts and monitoring bodies would somehow miss or not notice 40,000 to several million deaths as well an even more massive number of associated near deaths.

Or are you going to claim that these aren't being missed but rather covered up.

OK. So you're not proposing a conspiracy theory and you only want to discuss the scientific evidence.

So why post in the conspiracy theories forum?

I'm not saying anything, just noting the gish gallop process you are engaging in.

But it also means you're not saying anything other than ranting with 0 to back you up.

As a scientist yourself, I'm sure you understand what palliative care is and the variables and estimates from the experts involved.

So another anti-vax path has ended up with 0 evidence of issues with Covid vaccines safety and it's gone back to ranty nit-picking.

But this has been explained to you many times. There's no such thing as extreme round earthers. There's no such thing as extreme pro 9/11ers.

And no man, that's not my argument, that's a straw man you're creating.

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy is moaning about "knowing when people die" when that was the argument being presented by conspiracy theorists.

Lol, I didn't deflect from the point. I addressed it directly and told you that it's not what I'm arguing and it's a poor attempt at a strawman.

You however were deflecting from the point that there is still no such animal as extreme pro vaxxer.

And you are deflecting from the fact that you guys were declaring people who died due to covid actually were dying anyway.

Sorry are you accusing me of lying now? That would be massively hypocritical.

No one in my friend group had any severe reactions.

I don't consider being bed bound "severe" compared to death or hospitalisation.

So by your argument I am completely justified in claiming that there are no deaths from the vaccine. Right?

If not, why not and why does that not apply to your argument?