Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

So what?I am asking about the Covid vaccine .I couldn't give a monkeys about Monkey Pox or about some timewaster with a puny axe to grind.

The mention about Monkey Pox was just to make the subject a little clearer for the seemingly more obtuse in our midst.

I've not been on this thread much of late... I thought we were waiting for hospitals to get below 400 then...

You could have said you didn't know -or nothing at all.

Good ,but "insanely mild" ?

Can you show that this variant is any milder than the other variants when the factor of vaccinations is stripped out?

Well if you compare BA.5 to the BA.2 wave in Ireland there were approx 40% more in hospitals at it’s peak. So BA.5 is either milder or past infections from the other variants have created some immunity against serious illness. Unless people have been more cautious since the last wave maybe less people have been infected overall in this wave. Maybe it’s because it’s summer people being outside more.

Thanks.That is pretty vague though and I would be interested in the views on this particular subject from an epidemiologist.

I know this is a discussion forum and we are the great uneducated but we should be aiming to hang our opinions at some decent approximation to those if us who are paid to be up to date on the subject.

I am interested in the "answer " as I know those with just the one ,now aging vaccination and those factors you mention are not applicable in those people's case.

Nonsense. COVID is not insanely mild for many people.

I currently have COVID with only a runny nose.

My mother has COVID which nearly killed her.

My Sister and Brother both only tested negative for COVID this week with both of them having been in a very bad way, ( 1 close to have been hospitalised.) And both still suffering symptoms.

All of us are vaccinated and boostered. My mother double boostered.

Looking for intelligent ,informative ,helpful and indicative replies.

I am sure epidemilogists' views will differ but I expect there is a prevailing, if shifting view on what I am asking about (and that people on boards.ie could well know what that is and where to find it)

My own personal view ,based on what I have heard on TV is that it is unclear as to whether the virulence of these latest strains are less than that of the earlier strains and the vaccinations,previous infection and other factors make it hard to see how this would apply to someone who was neither vaccinated nor previously infected.

I don't know if others have close friends or family who will not get vaccinated and yet are in a high risk group ,but that is why I am asking.

Here’s the stats of an insanely mild disease for you.

When you extrapolate the data and subtract fatalities of people with co-morbidity and VERY advanced age (90 plus) from our overall covid deaths you’ll get a number approximately 170 deaths.

Contrast that with an actual deadly virus…… (1) between the years 1348 - 1350 the bubonic plague hit Ireland claiming the lives of 14000 people……. (2) in the years 1918 and 1919 the Spanish flu claimed upwards of 23,000 peoples lives.

Assuming we didn’t have people skewing the information on those earlier viruses it presents that covid is 1.12% the deadliness of the bubonic plague and 0.72% the deadliness of Spanish flu.

Does anyone seriously think that the worlds response to the objectivity insanely mild disease was proportional to the risk ?

if so , I invite you to book a one way flight to robo-dog and robo drone big brother hellhole that is China.

"Objectively insanely mild". Nope, objectively nonsense strawman.

Your comparison of "insanely mild" is with bubonic plague and Spanish flu.

Yep, that's a strawman.

And even than it's a pretty bad strawman. How many people died of plague or flu versus covid in Western countries over the same period?

I can't believe someone is still reheating the same old arguments that were demolished 2 years ago.

It is a numbers game based on how contagious covid is. It is about how many people covid sends into hospital and what that means for the ability of hospitals to function to treat everyone. That is what it has always been about and why country after country responded as they did. Even the countries such as England that tried to delay as long as they could had to respond eventually.

So maybe take your own flight to China and if you can time travel back to its hospitals in Wuhan in the early stage of the pandemic and maybe you'll see some sense.

Yeah. I had it 2 weeks ago along with my entire family including the elderly relatives. All grand by day 3.

So symptoms mild ? Yes

Deaths low ? Yes

enough said

Talk about scrambling , you accusing me of strawman fallacies with your string of false equivalence about my “conspiracy theory” infatuation (your definitely losing the debate when you have to resort to that BS)

Im standing by everything I said as it’s as clear as knowing water is wet and the sky is blue.

“the real numbers” etc …. “How many people was it going to send to the hospital “ (strawman much yourself ?) On that I direct you to the very respected Lancet report that asserts that lockdowns achieved pretty much SFA in the grand scheme and just pushed the fatalities down the timeline a bit ….. yeah great job their governments …. Well done ! Clap clap

What was the name of the tiny town?

Why not name the town?