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Is crypto era over?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭Dasein


    Told you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25 coinsrider


    Is it the beginning of a new Crypto ERA..?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    But Apple, Amazon, Meta etc actually make or do something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭Irish_rat


    Crypto era is only beginning, the bull has ended. Come back in 3 years. Even ETH and BNB will make you probably a 10x or more in the next cycle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,643 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    once you don't get on the lowest tier of the pyramid



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭Irish_rat




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    I dunno. Crypto has been fueled a lot by ordinary peoples fear of missing out. With recession and rising interest rates there is and will be a lot less spare cash floating about to fund people's crypto FOMO. People become a lot more risk adverse when they have less cash and crypto is toxic at the moment. Hard to reverse that.

    But there remain a cohort of dedicated crypto bros who still believe. Die hard.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,845 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    FOMO will stop once people realise there's nothing to miss out on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 937 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Until there's something to miss out on again.

    To answer is the crypto era over, the last few months have been an absolute disaster with Luna, now Celsius and a recession - Bitcoin is down 50%, alts down 50-70% - maybe someone else is in a better position than me to assess but this is probably the worse crypto period ever. What would it take for crypto to take off again and look like a viable investment? I don't think it would take a lot, gains of 10-20% can happen in a day.

    Bottom line is crypto has been hit by a cannon and its still standing, it could do without any additional sagas, but investors like to get in at bottoms and here we are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Not really, the volumes are coming form large investors and institutions. The **** coins are retail and whales manipulating prices.

    Post edited by Potatoeman on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    The trading firms are making money off retail investors. It all really sits on top of retail. Crypto markets have so much emotion driven activity that it is perfect for trading algos to make money off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    It's a big dip, but it's happened before - 2017 in particular was a disaster. 85% down. Per usual, the FUDsters are out in force at the moment everywhere (especially in the mainstream media) but I expect the markets to bottom in the next 3 to 6 months, then we'll see a period of approx 2 years of sideways consolidation/very slow progression but entering a bull market in 2025 and we'll see new ATH's in good projects - and, per usual, the FUDsters will slip back into the shadows. We've seen this all before.

    As with everything in life, there are scams everywhere but you gotta be smart and do your research in order to avoid them. Good crypto projects will survive the current crash.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    "We will never ever see the likes of this run again" - people say the same in every bear market, it's nothing new. It's your opinion only, just like I have the opposite view.

    For the record, I agree the lending companies are a massive part of the problem. Crypto, and Bitcoin originally, was all about self-custody of your monetary value. Cut out the centralised middleman. The likes of Celcius, Blockfi etc are always extremely vulnerable during crashes, much like traditional financial institutions were in 2008, as they're leveraging off other peoples money. Decentralised finance is the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    Also what you mentioned in your last sentence about Proof of Work crypto's, I agree too - there's no need for mining/environment pollution. Proof of Stake is what all cryptos should move to, where possible and I believe they will in time. Mining is already becoming an outdated concept in cryptography.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,826 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Mining is already becoming an outdated concept in cryptography.

    You have that arseways. Mining is not in a "concept in cryptography". Your process of mining (under POW) involves trying to find a particular value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    Maybe concept isn't the best word I could have chosen there but my point's the same, POS is much greener and preferable to POW.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,826 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    There are actually many different types of consensus mechanisms, both used and proposed in theory. People tend to only be aware of POW and POS.


    I didn't see it mentioned on here but one of the largest hedge funds in the crypto space, 3AC, is rumoured to have become insolvent. The people in charge of it have apparently decided to go to ground. Looks like they got greedy and leveraged themselves too far.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    Theres some new ETF's to short the crypto market ( ProShares Short Bitcoin Strategy ETF for example)

    You can still make (real) money from crypto lads



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭Irish_rat


    No that would be covid and the quantitive easing policies of both the FED/ECB. Covid is up there with any war. All pre-planned nonsense to get the world on lockdown for 2 years. One of the biggest crimes in humanity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭dil87


    It will only bottom and start a new uptrend when everyone has forgotten about it, stops talking about it, has sworn off it and we stop seeing adverts everywhere we go for Crypto brokers. It is the same thing every cycle; the space appears dead to the public, then a few get involved, you start seeing cheap broker adverts everywhere telling you to buy and then by the time your dentist is telling you about how much crypto he just bought, it's time to sell again, and repeat.

    Any time I hear people who have never shown interest in investments start talking about getting in, I know a top is not far away. This applies to every financial market. It's classic.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,826 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You must be minted Irish_rat. If you are certain of getting 10x each time, and you've been at it a while?

    If you've been through 3 such "cycles" that's 1000x on your original investment.

    It would be 10,000x after the next one. If you started with 100 quid, then you'll be up at a million. Nice for some.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,131 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users Posts: 971 ✭✭✭bob mcbob



    Yup the domino's are starting to tumble -

    Celsius brings down 3AC. This affects liquidity at lots of other companies where any customer is no longer allowed to withdraw their cash.

    The failure of Celsius triggered a domino effect across the wider sector: Three Arrows Capital (3AC), a multibillion-dollar hedge fund, experienced its own liquidity crunch as a result, and multiple companies with substantial outstanding loans to 3AC have now had to take emergency measures in turn.

    Two other companies that offered bank-like services announced large exposures to 3AC. Last week Finblox said the hedge fund’s actions had an “effect on liquidity”, and heavily restricted user withdrawals, dropping the daily limit from $50,000 to $500 while stopping interest payments on deposits.

    On Wednesday Voyager, which offers 12% on crypto deposits, revealed it had an outstanding loan of $650m to 3AC, more than four times its available cash. Voyager added that it would consider 3AC in default if the hedge fund did not repay the loan in full by Monday morning. The company has also reportedly frozen user withdrawals.

    Bancor, a decentralised finance protocol that acts as an exchange, lost out to “the recent insolvency of two large centralised entities”, believed to be Celsius and 3AC, and had to impose withdrawal limits. On Thursday another crypto exchange, CoinFLEX, announced that it was pausing withdrawals because of “extreme market conditions”.

    Also hardware used to mine the is being sold off where possible (for Bitcoin, this is not possible)




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Regulating crypto will see it lose the volatility that is what makes so many people attracted to it. The get rich quick scheme if you can pick the right coin and get in before the pump and out before the dump



  • Registered Users Posts: 937 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Would have to disagree, the volatility is in the speculation, combined with the difficulty of appraisal. The world of blockchain, crypto, dex is still in its infancy, which means anything this early has the potential to go big if it posses the right minerals.

    The pump and dumps scams give crypto a bad image, losing them wouldn't hurt the industry at all imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    So crypto that was pump and dump is a scam but all those just in the pump stage are 'good'?


    Blockchain is flawed technology. Crypto is a pyramid scheme, and this isn't a secret really?. Nft is a pure scam. It won't exist in the future once Bitcoin collapses.


    Crypto uses enough electricity to power several small countries so it will be a blessing for the planet when it's gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    So many things wrong with what you're saying (except NFT's), you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You need to back up your statements otherwise your just spitting trash



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Many cryptos don’t have a valid function and won’t make it but others do.

    Shares are pyramid schemes too by that metric as they require more people to buy to drive the price up. Ask someone that held Bank of Ireland shares.

    The power usage is as subjective, Facebook uses more. In fact the traditional banking sector is highly wasteful in their energy usage. If you go down that road do you need a dry cleaner? Miners move to where they can get cheap energy, in the west that’s green energy, it places like Mongolia and China that use coal for mining.



  • Registered Users Posts: 937 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    There are scammers in the crypto world, and there are also some people who are in it for ethical reasons, you really need to distinguish between the two to have any rational objective on the industry.

    Crypto currency is not a pyramid scheme, it is a proposal of digital currency, a connection between the finances of the virtual and physical world, where ownership no longer relies on centralisation. You seem to be mixing this up with the crypto market, which is an attempt to value crypto currencies.

    Your previous post seems to have stirred some emotion based on some article about someone's story where they lost everything, which is fair enough, truly some sad stories out there, however picture this, in Ireland some years back, imagine walking into the bank and asking for your money, and them saying sorry, but we don't have it, we lost it. Do you know how close we were to this being everyone's story?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭Shapey Fiend


    Christmas lights use more energy than several small countries. That whole comparison is pretty spurious. About a quarter of electricity generated in the world is wasted anyway so if spare capacity exists on the grid to do a crypto transaction its as useful a use for it as anything else.

    Crypto is just an immutable ledger. NFTs are just digital contracts. Neither of these things have to be used to construct ponzis that's just the first thing that people jump on in a speculative frenzy. We'll see another dumb bubble in 3 years time where it pumps and dumps as people get caught up in a mania but I think the underlying tech is still going to be successful if only because businesses will be able to fire all their accountants and contract lawyers. They'll be able invest into emerging markets without getting rekt as well as the code will police all the agreements and prevent some corrupt party running off with the funds. That stuffs probably still 10 years off though cos the techs still miles off being really robust.



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