Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

If in the minds of voters at the last election voting for Boris meant getting Brexit done, Brexit is done and Boris is leaving, so what mandate is going to hold the Tory party together for the rest of the term?

If Boris's successor tried to take up the NIP battle again I reckon English voters will tune out, which could mean the Tory MPs in borrowed Labour seats may cross the chamber. The number priority of any MP is reelection.

The Tories would love it if the Remainer leader of the opposition mentions rejoin, as it will allow them to fight the 2016 referendum again and the 2019 general election. They can move past their failures since Brexit and focus on an area where they will win the argument with the same bs that won it last time.

Starmer is playing it like he needs to. Repeat the Tory line and let them fight the next election on their record and not on Brexit. Yes this is frustrating to see if you are of the opinion that Brexit is a mistake, but Labour cannot fall into the trap of allowing the Tories to move the discussion from their record of the past few years.

Let us not forget in 2017 when it wasn't so much about Brexit but about Social Care and the NHS, even with Corbyn as leader, Labour took seats from the Conservatives. The focus on what Labour said about Brexit when rejoin is years in the future and the only way you are going to get that started is by being in power is silly. Starmer and Labour will not come out and say Brexit was a mistake, but the way the Tories have done it has been a mistake. That way they pass the blame for the mess on the politicians and not the people that voted for it. We need to realise this whenever we see another report on what Starmer has been saying about Brexit.

Absolutely nailed it here.

this is where at least some evidence based facts vs just n1 emotion can help. in terms of rent vienna is one of the best capitals in europe to live in ,the city owns about 400 000 flats or so that are not speculation objects so rents are fairly decent , you can go to the opera for 5 euro , public transport is 365 euro a year .

https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/2019/09/housing-basic-human-right-vienna-model-social-housing

That's actually a nice list. Definitely better than some I've read if it's got the likes of Madrid up there.

As for leaving I held out till 2020. You could definitely see an atmosphere descend which reminded me a bit of the recession. Although the more I explored England I found many cities look like they were always in a fog of gloom.

What a total chancer!....protect my legacy!

I note the use of Fahrenheit for temperature on that front page, isn't the Celsius scale most common in UK and what most people understand? Is use of Fahrenheit linked to the suggested return to imperial measurements, in my experience Fahrenheit is not prominent over there?

That's just stupid beyond words. He's either lying through his teeth, or is far stupider than I thought possible. Or perhaps both 🙄

I think Fahrenheit gets used in summer because you can get '100+' into headlines.

Celcius is preferred in winter because 'Britain in MINUS TEN Polar Vortex Ice Blanket' works better than the rather boring Fahrenheit equivalent which is a positive number.

It's to do with being able to say it's "over a hundred"

That said, it means nothing to me so you're better off just saying it's over 40C which will give me flashbacks to living in Australia. Bleugh.

I've met older people in Canada who used it. And brewers. But that's about it. If we ignore Americans of course.