Attitudes towards defilement of girls under 16 years of age in Britain.

You're doing it again. Shifting goalposts. I didn't say that it didn't matter. I said that the murder becomes the primary position.. and in any case, it's still another shift away from the original statement about sexual abuse towards females.

Honestly, I know little about necrophilia, but I suspect that it isn't primarily about being sexually motivated.. the sex is simply a way to make their feelings more real. In any case, I don't know enough about it, and have no interest in reading up on it.

However, rape is often about dominance and the destroy the identity of another person. In cases where a man rapes another man under supervision of a female partner, the scenario is generally more about dominance and the desire to bring about pain, than any sexual pleasure being involved. It's psychological rather than physical. Same with many rapes by men towards women, or rapes by women towards other women.. it's not sexual. There are other considerations involved.

Also, your original position, which I replied to referred to sexual abuse, and now you're specifying rape. You're still leading away from the original post and my response to it...

If you want to deal with what I've written, great. But if you're going to constantly shift the context for the discussion, there's little point continuing.

There are many things that were the norm in the past which we cringe at now (and we can't assume that we would have been shocked by this if there at the time) - always been the way - but "different times" isn't grounds for downplaying it now, with the knowledge we've accumulated since then. For instance it was the norm for young boys to work in the coal mines, and now we are well justified in condemning it. And people can both like the artist's work yet also condemn their behaviour. For instance, I love Roman Polanski films. I also feel empathy and sadness for the child he was under nazi terror, and for the husband and father-to-be he was when his pregnant wife was slaughtered... but I also think he's a scumbag.

I hate the "missing white woman" thing - it implies that the level of coverage is undeserved. In my opinion, it's socioeconomic class that determines the level of coverage. A missing white, meth addicted woman from a trailer park in Arkansas is unlikely to receive much attention. When the Yorkshire ripper's victim changed from prostitute to college student, the police, public and media collectively sat up.

But if underage, nobody can consent in the eyes of the law - and there's a reason for that. An early age of consent too is for sexual relations with people of the same age group, not a decade-plus older.

You're not comparing like with like though.

Priests molesting children was never a part of the social norms within the last two hundred years. Whereas girls/boys getting married at 14 (and having kids at that age) would have been quite normal roughly a hundred years ago.

That's the point about applying modern standards/acceptable norms to what went on in the past.

I have no issue with any of that. My previous comments were about something else. Islam, Hinduism, etc are all religions that have an unhealthy attitude towards females, moreso with the younger ones, which are incompatible with modern western values... and the they should be scrutinized because of that.

No, it's not as you're trying to link the molestation by priests of young children in modern times. Different situations.. and you know it.

"after 1823 a male could marry as young as 14 without parental consent and a girl at 12 although most girls didn't marry until around the ages of 18 to 23."

Nobody on the thread is making excuses for rock stars. The point was about applying modern standards to periods in history, when society and cultural norms were very different. I've said this a few times now, and I'm sick of repeating it. It's obvious you're going to continue ignoring that point.. so I'll leave this here.

Child marriage is still a strong component of many Islamic cultures. People might immigrate to the West, but they're likely to retain their own "unique" cultural backgrounds, especially when it relates to how Islam intertwines with it. As for Hinduism, it's the parts of Indian culture which relate to the place of females in society, and their rights (or lack thereof) compared to men... which has led to grooming gangs around the world. They're all connected in some manner.

Mainstream Islamic scholars theorize.. they're not talking about the practical application of Islam within different cultural groups worldwide. Also what is considered underage depends on the country/culture involved, as there are many countries, both Islamic and not, with low ages of consent.. which can also be lower again on a local level for distinct cultural groups.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/age-of-consent-around-the-world.html

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Yeah British tabloid media being scum - what a shocker.

I knew a Muslim family in China where the wife was 14 when she got married (the husband was in his mid-20s). Very happy marriage, but they did have their first kid when she was 15.. which is acceptable by Chinese laws btw. You can find the same thing happening in rural areas with Chinese people, young girls (14/15) marrying older men.. and I've heard of similar things in Africa too.

It's what tends to happen in poorer regions, especially if they're agrarian cultures. With less availability to modern medicine, and education, more women/girls die in childbirth, so there's a quicker attitude towards getting hitched earlier.