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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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    #6992
    Furze99
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119347188#Comment_119347188

    Now hold on here Trump.. there's a difference between someone arriving in Dublin airport and claiming asylum because they fear for their lives from a regime hostile to them in their own state......and.... someone arriving in Dublin airport and claiming asylum because they fear for their lives due to conscription laws necessary to protect their state. One are fleeing persecution and the other are draft dodgers. Plain & simple.

    It's outrageous that we will pay a cost for this war in terms of inflation and shelter non combatant refugees whilst a portion of the same citizenry have run away from their responsibilities and expect us to bankroll them as well. Needs immediate examination of all Ukrainain male nationals and those eligible for conscription in Ukraine should be deported back asap.



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    #6993
    jay0109
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    Brendan O'Connor show on Radio 1 this morning had a Fiona Hurley from one of the the many taxpayer/international billionaire funded migrant's NGO's in Ireland, NASC, on earlier.

    She mentioned on the show that a new EU directive allows accommodation to be built for refugees without applying for planning permission. I was a bit surprised to hear that as it's news to me but even more surprised that Brendan or none of the panel questioned her in any way about it.

    Anyone know about this?



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    #6994
    EOQRTL
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119350860#Comment_119350860

    Brendan probably knows there is zero chance refugees will be housed in the leafy suburbs besides RTE's finest so no point questioning it.



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    #6995
    Tonesjones
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119350860#Comment_119350860

    Brendan is the most gutless pro establishment clown going.

    He will never stick his head out and question anything. He knows he is on a good number between radio, regular newspaper and frequent TV work.

    He is of no use to anyone. A conversation enabler , a current opinion fluffer. No use



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    #6996
    ShamNNspace
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119350860#Comment_119350860

    NASC.... Not A Sausage for the Citizen



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    #6997
    Dempo1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119350860#Comment_119350860

    Dear lord did she seriously say that.

    Utter codswallop, the Directive which is TEMPORARY in nature mentions to supply of "Suitable Accommodation" makes no reference to circumventing any laws or planning processes in a member state. Of course this hasn't stopped our government circumventong certain other rules.

    Did BOC call this individual out or just let it pass 🤔

    Post edited by Dempo1 on

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #6998
    ShamNNspace
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    Ah now what do you think yourself😉?? On the Gavin o Reilly show or whatever its called on NT this morning Helen mcEntee was mentioned as a possible next leader of fg.... Strange times and no media to speak of, that's the sad part



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    #6999
    Cessna_Pilot
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    I feel the Irish government have gone rogue against their own people, especially the hard working taxpayer.



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    #7000
    Donald Trump
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119350814#Comment_119350814


    Hold on yourself.

    Poster wants the Irish Authorities to send back any Ukrainian that might be being conscripted. Presumably once you establish that principle, then you need to apply it to the Russian in Dublin who gets called up to do their required service.


    Asylum process is to protect people. Not to make determinations on which cause is just for them to be sent to their death for.



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    #7001
    Dempo1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119350925#Comment_119350925

    I've put in a request to RTE and this Fiona Hurley, who I've never heard of seeking an explanation as to were this planning permission nonsense came from and why wasn't this fact checked, if no responses forthcoming, I chase it up elsewhere, I can think of a few folks in meath will be curious about these comments 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7002
    Tonesjones
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351123#Comment_119351123

    Fair play.

    That OConnor is of no benefit



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    #7003
    Dempo1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351143#Comment_119351143

    I can't believe this was said and not fact checked, extraordinary but of course nothing surprises me about RTE, official press office for this Government 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7004
    Tonesjones
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351158#Comment_119351158

    How would one go about making a request to verify from Rte or this Fiona person?



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    #7005
    Dempo1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351187#Comment_119351187

    There's an email address, complaints form etc for RTE, Email for this Fiona persons organisation.

    I'll then lash out questions directly of all three on Twitter and add a few journalists as recepients.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7006
    Subzero3
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119350262#Comment_119350262

    Its not above intelligence. Its the willingness off them to follow the media blindly, without question. They are shaped by the media and government spin. While others like me can see the reality.



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    #7007
    Dempo1
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    OK time for a cold shower, christ it's muggy, Night all 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7008
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119350860#Comment_119350860

    Theres nothing in the new Directive as far as I can see but not needing planning permission for accomodation for asylum seekers was brought in under Alan Kelly IIRC, the cavaet is that the accomodation has to be built on State owned lands. The Dept of Housing was at pains to say when Rodericks new plan to end DP was announced that no State land was being given up to it, I remember being shocked about them not need PP when I read this article last year. Shocking that no appeal is even allowed, I wonder what Government TD would allow this to happen in their area and still hope of getting re-elected

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/officials-pushed-for-state-to-buy-direct-provision-centres-from-private-firms-1.4678208


    "“In exploring the model of more State centres, we need to agree and acquire a capital budget,” the briefing stated.

    “State land does not require planning permission for new centres as the Minister has a power under the Acts, whereby the OPW can grant the planning permission and this is usually a three-month process. It is not subject to appeal.”

    The document says that State centres “can also have a bigger footprint as it will be a permanent fixture in the locality”. In recent years a number of plans for private providers to open direct provision centres in regional towns have been met with protests from locals and anti-immigration activists."



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    #7009
    Strumms
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    So any cowboy can come I and build some shack of a place now that doesn’t have to meet any planning regs…

    so people, working in it, visiting it and living in it basically are at the good word of the builder that it’s been done responsibly and safely .

    ‘state owned lands’ is a smart assed way around it, because if the state buy a 3 acre plot of land off a farmer ….state land…

    absolute kip of a country… our politicians and administrators really showing their true colours now…



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    #7010
    xxxxxxl
    Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351804#Comment_119351804

    Ha not like builders here are not trustworthy. Is it 2.8 bn were on the hook for. IIRC most of it's like fire safety and that. Can't make it up.



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    #7011
    zell12
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119350860#Comment_119350860

    Yep, it is real.

    The regulations, which came into effect on 23 June 2022, provide that certain classes of temporary development, including residential accommodation, undertaken by or on behalf of a State authority, to provide protection to displaced persons from Ukraine, will be exempt from the provisions of the Planning and Development Act (other than environmental considerations).

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/




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    #7012
    Dempo1
    Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351832#Comment_119351832

    This had Nothing to do with the original EU directive actiivated in March and drawn up 21 years ago which is being questioned .

    The Guest claimed under the Directive planning permission was not required which was factually incorrect.

    Infact it was essentially a Stroke pulled as there was no such mechanism in the original EU Directive, which never mentioned planning permission, let alone allow for it to be ignored and the government knew it was in trouble and would essentially need to provide, essentially glorified portacabins.

    Thankfully there are conditions attached and essentially only land owned by local authorities will be used.

    This legislation only came into force in June 2022 but I can see how this was being conflated with the original EU directive, both are linked and essentially its an add on.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7013
    Dempo1
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    OK, time for some Humble Pie .

    I had time to listen back to the BOC show this morning and in fact Fiona Hurly did not say it was part of the original EU directive and clearly said this issue with no planning was only added last June . So I have to apologise and should have listened to the show before commenting.

    Infact she was actually quite measured and made some quite good points , even calling out another silly guest who repeated this narrative "Sure they Look like us" BS.

    So, I'm having Humble pie for Breakfast instead of weetabix. I'll follow up by apologising to her and RTE.

    The show spent some time on the crisis, for those who want to listen back, link attached but to hear the particular part being referred to , skip to 40 minutes in for about 15 minutes .

    Dempo 😏

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/brendan-oconnor/programmes/2022/0717/1310700-brendan-oconnor-sunday-17-july-2022//


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7014
    Dempo1
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    Hard to know if this is just another excuse but it does shine a light onto the need for vetting , this said its rather curious, if infact true why so many didn't engage with Garda Vetting but I'm sceptical the numbers not engaging are accurate. Before this crisis, Garda Vetting in many cases took months anyway.

    It also shines a light on something else, I raised concerns about , the carry on on FB and other SM platform's were people are essentially making contact and vice versa regarding accommodation with apparently NO Vetting taking place and in most circumstances young children involved. Literally total strangers getting access to children with no Vetting, It's a recipe for disaster and it astonishes me no one in charge, Government, NGO's , Gardai and the likes of FB even remotely concerned about this accommodation seeking through SM platform's .

    Some will say its desperation, I say its Negligence and deeply disturbing


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-homes-for-ukrainian-refugees-lost-after-owners-failed-to-engage-with-garda-vetting-process-41845630.html


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7015
    Tonesjones
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351902#Comment_119351902

    Who is your man declaring that we have reached the top of the housing market and the the market will sort itself out now. He mentions inflation but not that building materials also are affected by said inflation.

    Property has always been a hedge against inflation

    What a bold yet uneducated statement to make on national airwaves.



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    #7016
    Dempo1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351928#Comment_119351928

    I was focusing on Fiona Hurly but guests names mentioned ar the start of the podcast and yes an ignorant buffoon whoever he is.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7017
    enricoh
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    A bar + restaurant owner in a seaside resort saying the government taking all the hotel beds in the area is hammering tourism. Not to worry, just rip the bar out n stick a few bunk beds in- jump on the gravy train lad!

    Independent.ie: Tourism town criticises refugee housing strategy as local hotels are fully booked out.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tourism-town-criticises-refugee-housing-strategy-as-local-hotels-are-fully-booked-out-41847140.html



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    #7018
    Dempo1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351948#Comment_119351948

    Yes, Youghal, one of the first Tourist towns to loose Hotels for tourism , if I recall at the time, 2 of 3 hotels there filled with Ukrainian refugees, not sure about the 3rd.

    The people interviewed comparing this to how Covid lockdown restrictions effected their business, saying this is worse , obviously I'm not sure that's entirely true but no doubting major Tourist towns have been impacted by the loss of hotels as too has their local economies.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7019
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭enricoh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119351964#Comment_119351964

    I'd believe it, there was a few grants n schemes on the go for hospitality during COVID which took the sting out of it.

    I'm not on Facebook but the missus was saying there was tourists saying they was to change their itinerary as there was no hotels available in West Donegal due to government block booking them.



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    #7020
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119348072#Comment_119348072

    My guess is that the Ukrainian refugees was such a clear-cut case of people fleeing for their lives when their country was invaded. Whereas with other "refugees" who don't claim asylum in the first safe country, who don't arrive at legal points of entry, who are overwhelmingly young men, and who seem to pick and choose which countries they want to go to like they're ordering off a McDonalds' menu, who have among their cohort terrorists (Manchester bombing) and rapists (Cologne NYE 2015) there is a lot more scepticism, and people rightly or wrongly care less about them.



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    #7021
    Dempo1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119352005#Comment_119352005

    O, I can confirm Many hotels saw advance bookings for 2022 were Grim and the loss of substantial covid grants meant the Ukrainian refugee crisis was not just a way out but a cash cow waiting to be milked.

    I've also mentioned, these hotels have not only benefited substantially , they've also increased profitably by way of reduced operating cost, marketing expenses and less staff requirements, many were also, bizzarely compensated for alledged loss of revenues and profits .

    A win win and meanwhile those hotels not being used , lashed up prices, Gouging the few tourists who came and indeed the few staycationers who foolishly decided to holiday in Ireland.

    What could have possibly gone wrong 🤔😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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