Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Here it is

Before anyone gets excited, Guess what

Ukrainians will still be able to travel to Ireland visa free.

Our wonderful government have now made an entirely intolerable situation worse , they've voted at cabinet to suspend this decision for 12 months

The white-washing of Ukraine's pre-war issues is something that we will all face the consequences of in the coming decade and probably longer.

No country or people are saints (ourselves included), yet that is exactly how they've been portrayed. Helpless victims who have nothing and nowhere else to go. Now in some cases that may indeed be true (although the uncomfortable problem of why they haven't resettled in the vast area of their country west of the fighting rather than trekking across the breadth of Europe remains), but these people also bring a lot of other problems that we in particular are ill-equipped to deal with as it is.

Take for example, the prospect of dealing with potentially tens of thousands of ex-soldiers with possibly serious mental and physical healthcare needs. We're not exactly known for dealing with those as it is now!

Criminality is another. Now to be clear, I'm not suggesting that this will make up any more than a small minority (just as proportionally most people here are law abiding citizens), but we live in a country which can't effectively deal with zoned out junkies on the streets, or existing criminal gangs shooting each other. Regardless of if it's a tiny number, why do we need to take on these additional problems?

Then there's the sheer logistics of directly supporting tens of thousands of people who have no self sufficiency as they enter , limited if any familiarity with our culture, accepted norms and laws, and the challenges of integrating them into a society already struggling and divided on many key issues.

We are setting ourselves up for a lot of problems - some will be very obvious and immediate as we're already seeing, others more subtle and localised, and still others that will take years to really feel the impact of.

Ultimately it all comes back to a simple question that goes far beyond the narrative of goodwill and charity - "why are we doing this?"

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, it's widely reported that we can't cope with what we've already taken in, but our Government seems determined to continue regardless. They might be parochial, greedy and out of touch but no one could be that blind at this point, especially when outlets like the IT are now calling out the public concerns - so, what's REALLY going on??

It's not , just posted a caveat for 12 months, this is extraordinary 🙄

The cabinet didn't even meet together.

Basically what they've done is continue as is for 12 more months while other countries have started to tighten up and sensibly so .

Can we guess what this now mean 🤔

Here's a Guess , we're in for an avalanche 😳

Well we’ve already been told that there could be millions of African refugees heading for the EU this winter. Maybe they are trying to get ahead of that. It won’t work though, the EU will decide how that migration will be handled and we will be forced to comply.

This can only be prevented if the likes of Germany and France decide to close the EU to migration. This would have been impossible a couple of years ago but they may do it to save the Euro and the EU.

Fair points but let's keep African refugees to one side.

There's more than enough "inviduals" across the European continent already who might think , Irelands offerings to good not to take up. Even that aside , once in, I see no appetite in this government to remove anyone, Ever .

Tented villages will need to be constructed and used. That way we can meet our obligations, whilst those choosing to come here will know where they are going.

My point is Ireland will continue allowing Ukrainian refugees in without the requirement of a Visa were as other EU member states won't, unless I've missed something, this in essence guarantees the flow and more than likely an avalanche as other countries will only permit access with a Visa 🤔

right now you’ll probably have the national show centre, Millstreet, and various other spacious and social recreational / event facilities getting tapped up to be long term accommodation hubs..

Yes Ireland bound by same agreement as other EU states re Ukrainian refugees.

Todays announcement is concerned with those seeking International Protection afaik, and to stem the rapid increase in these coming from other EU states.

If Ukrainians are disproportionately coming here in preference to other EU states, that's better tackled by equalising payments and supports, so there's no particular incentive.

So essentially an already agreed plan was to take effect and our government voted to suspend participation, seems pretty clear to me 🤔

Love that word and this one too "Nincompoop's " 🤣

I do get that and I'll be curious to see how many other EU states "suspend " participation, the real issue has been and remains an issue is we don't actually know who's coming here due to lack of any vetting or verification procedures , so my belief this suspension, for whatever reason will be abused , Ergo, Avalanche.

Possibly but Ukrainians don't do Tents, besides virtue signalling will go into over drive and I've no doubt deals already being done with numerous hotels 😏