Attitudes towards defilement of girls under 16 years of age in Britain.

Of course not. The ten year old scenario has been seized on here because it's so extreme... but what about a fairly developed 14 year old, wearing a sheer top, and hot pants? I've known young girls who could easily pass for being 3-4 years older than they actually are, especially when fashion, makeup, and all the accessories available to change appearance are taken into account. The sexualisation of young teens is risky.. and while you might want to ignore those risks in favour of believing the world to be a safe place.. I don't. I find it to be a irresponsible position.

Also, the position on personal responsibility is not as black/white as you want to make it out to be. It's not saying that the victim is responsible for what happened to them.. it's simply about applying common sense, taking reasonable precautions, being aware of the world we live in. I realise that you cannot accept that, and will need to twist statements in objection.

As for needing another poster to defend my position, I don't. The problem with engaging with you is that you never stick to what a posters actual position is. Instead, you interject points of view, assigning them to that poster, and then, seek to argue with yourself, all the while assuming some high moral position. I've attempted having balanced discussions with you previously, and each time it's fallen apart due to the above.

There are a wide range of studies that show the effect of fashion styles, such as high heels (changing the shape/alignment of the leg), short skirts, push up bra's, lipstick, perfume, etc.. all pointing to the physical, and socially conditioned (advertising, movies, music videos, etc) responses that many males feel on seeing them. They're designed/intended to elicit a response from males on a physical level.

Such clothing "styles" increase the attention that a female receives.. and then, there are the cultural perspectives about particular types of clothing, such as corsets, tight hotpants (ass cheeks showing), etc which have associated meanings within that culture, linked directly with stereotypical sexual meanings. A young woman wearing an Asian type school uniform has an established sexual association.. and that's relevant.

All of which increases the attention that a female receives... You can say that someone is dressing for themselves, but you can't control what others think when they see you dressed that way. That's obvious enough. However, you can appreciate that many forms of fashion, especially those specific to adults or linked to sexualised aspects of society, would provide an increased chance of another person forming less than welcome thoughts/feelings/etc. That's particularly relevant when it come to minors wearing clothes originally intended for adults.. due to the associations involved. In many cases, modern fashion has taken clothing/styles which were traditionally displayed in private or within closed/controlled environments, and pushed them into the general public. There's a risk involved in doing that.

That's the point regarding what people wear. It's not misogynistic to point to the realities involved.

Shifting goalposts already? That's quick even for you.. and I suspect you skimmed over what I said, rather than reading it.

I could go through each of the items I referenced, finding studies showing the effects they have on males.. but let's face it, most of it is common knowledge already. It just doesn't fit within the position you've assumed.

Faux concern for women from leftwing men shocker.

Young girls shouldn't be wearing clothing that's too advanced for them, because they're too young. Nobody whatsoever said they are responsible if assaulted, but it does draw creepy attention - as we all know, and only those arguing for the sake of it will say otherwise. When my nana told me to put something over my top as she didn't want "auld fellas" looking at me weirdly, she wasn't telling me I would be responsible for an assault... just that she didn't want weird looks making me uncomfortable.

Give up the disingenuous nu misogyny (being OK with inappropriate clothing for young girls because it's "liberal"; using women and girls as currency to troll) - it's not fooling anyone with a brain.

Liberals pretend women are empowered if they are prostitutes or do hard-core porn. They're no friend to women.

Disgusting. You and the other two using girls to troll have no shame. Our mothers and grandmothers who told us to cover up - was that because they found us "sexy"? Warped.