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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,712 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not that long ago we found out that a large portion of undercover policing was being wasted on very long deep cover infiltration of the likes of CND and various peaceful left wing groups were getting the same attention as the IRA (not UVF funnily) and jihadists.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,316 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The manner in which the vaguely agitated, but mostly peaceful left have been vilified by right wing populism through state apparatus has been a dangerous precedent set. The government are "lucky" the jihadists appear to have gone to ground of late cos a tragedy befalling the public would turn to anger once learning various blue haired students had more eyes on them than the actual terrorists.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Political anger in the UK is short lived.

    I mean anger directed at political corruption and misdirection/incompetence in and of the UK Gov only lasts as long as a summer thunderstorm. Sometime the summer storm is destructive and remembered for a while but most are just transient and forgotten before the next one comes along.

    Who talks about the London Airport to be built of the Thames estuary? Or the bridge connecting NI to Scotland or even the tunnel through the Beaufort Dyke to achieve the same? (Shame the Dyke is very deep and filled with WW II minitions)

    Or the third runway at Heathrow the Johnson was going to lie in front of the diggers? Or the American 'entrepreneur' who got £100,000 plus of state money she was not entitled to? (Can't remember her name - wonder if Johnson does). Then all the PPE contracts dished out to mates that made fortunes for those that got them, but the PPE never arrived or was not useable. Whatever happened to all that money?

    Oh so many - how could anyone remember them all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,987 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Don't forget the billions lost to track and trace. It is short lived, and that's because the mainstream media is so in bed with the establishment, things are rarely challenged for any length of time.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I could not list (or remember) all the dodgy schemes for channelling the state funds into chums pockets such they could afford generous donations to party funds and a few bob for the poor MP who enabled it.

    Some schemes were breath taking in their sheer audacity to pass public money into unworthy pockets - like nobody noticed.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,712 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Wasn't there a company that got loads of money for freight haulage despite not owning any trucks or shipping containers.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    That was Failing Grayling's wheeze of getting a huge contract for newly formed pizza delivery firm (or at least that is what their articles of association were copied from) - only formed a few weeks earlier. Not only did they not own ships, have any experience of shipping or even logistics knowledge, they were going to operate from a silted up harbour that was previously used for hovercraft, and had no contract with the receiver port, and no capital, but got a huge contract that was cancelled when all this became public.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Where to begin ?

    £108m was handed to two foreign companies DFDS and Britanny Ferries, and also Seaborne Freight which didn't actually exist. (website was cut/paste from fast food place it was that rushed a job)

    Eurotunnel (who are specifically forbidden to have ferries ) sued and won £33m

    Thank to deregulation P&O fired their workers and have had multiple operational and safety incidents since. They were very lucky with the weather when one ferry lost power at sea. Avoid until they start investing in people other than upper management and shareholders.

    But that's what taking back control means.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Political satire killed by real life, episode #1807:

    How can one entertain the notion of serious debate about British politics, when the skillset in evidence is beyond inexistent, the population governed for the last 3 years or so by someone with less aptitude than whichever Aldi shelfstacker picked at random still does nothing, and the hopefuls parading to replace him are managing the feat of appearing still less capable.

    It’s in-cre-di-blue. Truly incredible.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Ah come on, you hardly expect Johnson to know what's going on in the UK, do you?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I think Johnson has brought a new meaning to Political Party.

    We all know about the No 10 parties that violated the 'gathering' Covid laws. On Saturday, he failed to attend an emergency COBRA meeting because he was at a more important event - his parting party at Chequers. He obviously has his priorities where party comes before Nation or Party.

    What a chancer.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Whilst he wanted the job, he never wanted the work. Like Trump, he did his utmost to do nothing and didn't care what that meant. He has spent his tenure as PM overseeing one disaster after another and never once took responsibility for the mess. He proudly watched his colleagues and donors lavish themselves with the public purse while taxes were being raised and spending reduced.

    That the Tories still have considerable numbers amongst the electorate just shows how badly infected this cancer-riddled country is. Have the Tories actually ever put the country and its people first?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    I’m not so naive to believe that Johnson could do a semi-competent job, rest assured.

    But I am -was- naive enough to believe that a political player so invested in emulating and cosplaying Churchill and given the keys to no.10 Downing Street, would take the job seriously enough to at least read his briefs, however brief and illustrated with crayons.

    I don’t believe that the UK has ever been governed by a less competent person since their Constitutional Monarchy started.

    But it’s the British population, seemingly gaslit to Russian population levels, that has me the most worried. It doesn’t look as if anything, and I include oven roasting newborns and throwing kittens under passing trains in that, can get enough of the general population out of its funk and beating hard the drums of political revolution, with mass/general strikes, riots and whatnot, like it was May 1968 Paris all over again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,488 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He's earned the Britain Trump moniker it would seem:

    He's not even above using the crisis in Ukraine for a desperate attempt to cling on:

    I just didn't think it was possible for a European leader to be this contemptuous of the people they are supposed to serve. Sure, you can point to PiS or Fidesz but Britain has a long history of stable government, much moreso than most developed nations. It never really needed a codified constitution as that was a later innovation in history and the British always found themselves well served by their constitutional monarchy. Now, the Tories have debased the country so much that anyone can see why checks and balances on the executive are essential.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,867 ✭✭✭amacca


    I saw the word "johnstonism" used today in relation to his "legacy"....an undignified short stint at the helm characterised by incompetence and corruption/croneyism is now a legacy🤣


    Johnstonism...a new paradigm in political leadership...

    I presume it was somewhat tongue in cheek a la trumpism........



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    I don’t believe that the UK has ever been governed by a less competent person since their Constitutional Monarchy started.

    Bonar Law ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Investigative reports


    I think that's very English and to do with both the class system and the media they consume.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Investigative reports


    A large proportion of the English electorate are terribly easy to manipulate it seems. Reactionary, thick and mildly dangerous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,654 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Investigative reports




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,867 ✭✭✭amacca


    It's better than if they had a competent leader imo....... more implosion and prime time shots to the foot incoming if that comes to pass!



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,986 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    In the short term it might seem that Truss as PM would be awful. And it will be, but long-term it's exactly what's needed for the UK to rid themselves of the Tories for a generation. She's so awful that there's bound to be a GE in the new year.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,316 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Thing is, all that's fine and I do agree with the principle of what you're saying ... but my concern is that no matter how long the Tories are gone for - be it short, medium or long term - collectively they'll not have learned the right lessons from all this. The populist, if not extremist, cohort appears to be well in control and don't see any of them possessing the capacity for any kind of Road to Damascus moment. Maybe I'm just being pessamistic.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    It is not the Road to Damascus they need but the Road to Democracy.

    The FPTP voting system is the cause of all their problems - well no, the foreign owned right wing media is another problem.

    They need some root and branch measures to correct their democratic deficit - and there is zero chance of that - short of revolution or civil war.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,316 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    FPTP is here to stay for the time being; I do 100% agree the UK has a significant deficit, but it certainly has no chance of ever changing if the Tories remain on this course of Power At All Costs; there's a rot at the heart of what's passing for conservatism in general and I don't know how the Tories pivot back to something akin to what we have here in terms of the Centre Right.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Well FPTP could well be at the heart of a deal that the SNP do with Labour if they can form a Gov, perhaps including the LibDems. A written constitution would be a start - devised by a citizen's assembly perhaps.

    It could be part of a deal to bring STV into elections, replace the House of Lords with an elected Senate of perhaps 100 to 200 members. There are a dozen or so regions in the UK and ten or a dozen or so Senators for each region would give that number. [Two regions might leave the UK - NI and Scotland]. [If each region was divided, say, into four areas, and each area elected three senators by STV.]

    Senators could be nominated for election by each local authority, or by other methods, but a system would be needed to keep the number of candidates down and to stop the swivel eyed from standing. Senators could be fixed term or in conjunction with a GE.

    It will not happen - not this century anyway.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,302 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    The problem is Labour still think they will come into power alone and want to have the perk to appoint people to the HoS to buy people off etc. as they see themselves as equals to Tories (which in reality they are not as they lost their base to make that possible). It will require a significant leadership change in Labour for that one to sink in and I don't see that happening any time soon (we'd talk multiple additional election defeats in a row beyond the losses to date and then a barely getting through with cooperation to oust the Tories). I'd even go as far as to say I think rejoining EU in some form is more likely to happen before that (and that's at least a generation or two away as well).



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    @Nody

    I would agree with that.

    The Labour Party made a significant mistake (IMO) by not backing Scottish Independence (in some limited form) be cause, by opposing it, they have lost 40 MPs they need to form a Gov. The Tories are gerrymandering the MPs so that Labour lose seats in Wales but the Tories gain seats in England.

    Labour need to get a reality grip on themselves, and either redraw their constituencies (are they Left or Labour - Socialist or Worker's Unions) or remain forever leaders of opposition.

    Perhaps the LibDems might rise up and become the real opposition to the Tories.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,986 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    This reminds me of what people discuss when it comes to the Republicans in teh States. They're unreformable, so who cares whether they learn lessons or not.

    Like the Democrats, the Labour Party hasn't worked it out that you have to get power first. No point being pure as the driven snow and in permanent opposition.

    Actually, TBF, Starmer has indicated as much with his pro-Brexit statements last week.

    So yeah, get power. Reform after.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,304 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Labour is never going to support the break up of the union.

    They are an established, patriotic party. Just not as overt about it as the Tories.

    The only part of the UK that the Tories and Labour agree is Northern Ireland. Both parties agree with the consent principle and probably love dearly if the North left the Union.

    If the present system was removed for voting, the Tories would win lots of seats in Scotland and Wales, much more than they have now.



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