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Greatest League in the World 2024 [new thread available]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,279 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    Oat, we (Drogheda) drew 0-0 with you in United Park a few weeks ago. It was a fair result.

    Earlier in the season. you played us off the park and were 3-0 up at half time. It was the best display from an away side that I have seen this season.

    I'm not sure what happened with Liam Buckley but, from the times that I have seen you, the change hasn't brought you forwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,042 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Dinamo Zagreb (most likely) for Rovers if they get past Ludogorets.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,798 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    You see it all the time on LOI clubs twitter when the fav loses. Degenerate gamblers and losers every one.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    If Sligo get by Motherwell, they'll play Sparta Prague or Viking from Norway. Pat's will play CSKA Sofia or Skopje if they manage to get by Mura.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Rovers should keep Lyons as long as they're still in Europe, hes worth more to them that way. Lets hope he doesn't have some stupid release fee in his contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,796 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭Charliebull




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,373 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Motherwell are no great shakes. Between boxing day and the end of the season they won 3 games from 18 and still made Europe. They're basically the Scottish version of us and are only in the competition because other teams bottled it.

    They're only 2 games into pre-season and their main striker doesn't seem to be 100% either. If we weren't sh*te I'd have given us a chance so it's disappointing to go into the game in such awful form with an uninspiring manager or we could have turned them over. They needed pens to get past Coleraine in 2020.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭trashcan


    What makes you think Sligo should be ahead of Pats, Derry or Dundalk, let alone comfortably ? It’s pretty close between all four as far as I can see. Derry looked well ahead the rest when they came to Richmond earlier in the season, but have kind of imploded since then.



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    Could be a tough night for Shamrock Rovers tomorrow against a decent Ludogorets side in the Champions League. They had a tough time getting to Ludograd, as there is no direct flights to there from Ireland. Will be around 26 degrees come kick off. Manager Stephen Bradley has said that the difficulties in getting to Bulgaria gives the opposition an advantage.

    Outside of Irish rugby, and their heroics in New Zealand, there's nothing much better in Irish sport than an Irish football team progressing in Europe, club or country IMO. Best of luck to the Shams, St Pats and Sligo Rovers this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    If we had taken points from the sides we should be beating then we'd be comfortably inside the top 4. That's not an unreasonable statement.

    Both Derry and Pats have underperformed from where they were expected to be and Rovers should have been primed to capitalise and grab a top 4 place.

    The opinion of most LOI fans before the season started was if a challenge were to be mounted it would come from Derry or Pats. Even if ultimately it would be a year too soon for Derry in particular and Shams would have enough to pull away in the final third of the season. That hasn't materialised at all.

    Rovers have had some very disappointing results. The latest being the basement side beating us 2-0 and also being beaten at home by Bala. An out of season part time outfit where we needed a brilliant goalkeeping performance to get through to avoid losing the tie in normal time and then again on penalties.

    UCD have gotten 4 points out of their last 9 games and they've all been against us! (they've taken 5 points off us this season nearly half their total) We're single handily keeping them in the play off race at this point! Pathetic by any metric.

    Post edited by topmanamillion on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,055 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    We, Drogheda, lost all of our back 5 from last season for nothing.

    It sucks but that's LoI where short term contracts means this will continue to happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    “We're single handily keeping them in the play off race at this point”


    very funny

    😄 😀 😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭trashcan


    We could all say similar though. We’ve lost points to Drogheda, Finn Harps and Shelbourne where we wouldn't have expected so. Ultimately we all have the points we earned, so everyone is where the deserve to be. We can all look back at certain games and go “ if only. “



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    I was reading all of lewandowski’s clubs in Poland got a windfall from his move to Barca. FIFA rules apparently. Wonder will this happen if Irish LOI players start making 8 figure moves? Was bazunu defenitely a sell on clause or part of this fifa rule?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    I thought the league had turned a bit of a corner after the Doherty and Bazunu deals but more of the same this window. Mandoriou, McGinty and Toal were 3 of the leagues top performers and they've gone for a combined fee of around €200k.

    Leagues going nowhere until it gets proper transfer fees. Bit of a chicken and egg situation though. You can't get the big fees regularly until its a fulltime pro league and only way to generate the kind of money that takes is a fulltime pro league.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles


    Another catch 22 is that the reason League 1 clubs in particular are interested in the Irish league is that they can get good players cheap if they were no longer cheap would they still buy them?



  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Promise Omochere leaving for Fleetwood the latest. League's being decimated.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Difficult to know if they'd still want players from here. A very big attraction is the low fees/low risk aspect.

    Take Toal for instance, 70k to Bolton. He goes there as a squad player and their 5th defender to begin with. He's also versatile and can cover a few defensive positions. He's 23 and has 150 senior appearances. Maybe he excels there and grows into the next Nathan Collins or maybe he's a league one squad player. Either way he'll still have been great value for money.

    I don't believe its all on the clubs here. Its not a coincidence that the leagues best players are signing short term deals. They're using their LOI club as a spring board. Johnny Kenny last winter was able to negotiate a contract extension with a €150k release clause and leave a few months after signing it. At the time it looked like poor business but not looking as bad now for an 18 year old considering the likes of Mandoriou (called into an Ireland squad not long ago) and Toal (150 app and Derry Captain) have now gone for half that amount.

    The league simply cant compete with the finances of League 1 clubs. Its also a frightening prospect that the likes of Riga can splash €1.6 million on a player. None of which bodes well for future European prospects. There's been a serious talent drain this summer and no compensation worth talking about to replace them. Our clubs are now playing against clubs in Europe that we'd traditionally have fancied our chances against but we are now the underdogs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭trashcan


    It’s also a symptom of the improvement in the leagues underage teams. The more quality they produce, the more the vultures will be circling. Clubs abroad will be looking for ideally teenage players, early 20’s at the oldest. Look at Pats, we’ve have lost Darragh Burns, James Abankwah, and Josh Keely, with possibly Sam Curtis to follow once he gets over his injury. We also have Adam Murphy, who I’m pretty sure is going to attract a lot of attention when he gets back playing. All still teenagers. At least Pats have got relatively decent money, unlike some clubs. It’s unfortunate, but it’s the way of the world, and I honestly don’t see what can be done. All we can hope is to get some of the players back if it ultimately doesn’t work out for them, like Forrestor, Burke, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Ferris_Bueller


    Two great posts above lads. But it's something that has to be fixed, the league will not go anywhere if our best exports are going for such paltry amounts. Currently the only way clubs are earning a bit of money is through Europe. If sligo, pats, bohs, Derry etc were getting dexent fees for their departing players you'd say fair enough and they can reinvest in their youth set ups and playing squad. Right now it's a massive drain with very few upsides.


    On another note, rovers naming a fairly defensive steam tonight. Burke and Byrne probably not fully fit but surprised to see neither starting. A draw would be a great result.



  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Liberta Per Gli Ultra


    The usual ignorant shìte being spoken on RTE before the game.

    Peter Collins reckons the Champions League group stages is the "ultimate aim" for a club like us, seemingly unaware that the CL has been effectively closed off to everybody but the chosen few at the top. You've got the champions of Greece in the 2nd QR and two former champions of Europe in the 3rd QR ffs.

    Meanwhile, Ludogorets are a "model club" because they've a billionaire owner who pays a lot of money to mercenaries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,508 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    Dark jerseys/shorts/socks against each other are annoying me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    No offence to Pats or Rovers but they annually pick players free from other clubs without a prick of conscience.

    Last season, Pats took Odumuso, Doyle and Redmond from Drogheda.

    Most bright prospects in the league are linked with Rovers at some point.

    It's all about money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,373 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Just seeing the draw Shams got in the Europa League. I'm assuming they'll play Shkupi which gives them a great chance of progressing to the group stage of the ECL. They have to win games like those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    To be fair to Shams Gaffney and Towell have done very well. Gaffney's hold up play in particular has been excellent but these are just levels above. Could be all over for them tonight.

    I hadn't realised how small Ludogorets are. They've a fan base and catchment area not too dissimilar to Finn harps. They play in a 12,000 seater but average about 1,000 at games and have frozen the big Bulgarian capital clubs out of the league for the past decade. They're from a town not much bigger than Leitrim (34,000). Its purely their pharma billionaire owner that's made them what they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Razgrad are very good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    Having a pharma billionaire does help though.

    Or any type of multi millionaire. Eh Derry ;)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,373 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Stuey Byrne was in fine form before the game though saying Shams could beat them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,042 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Well that's the tie over.

    Shkupi are currently leading away to Zagreb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    You've got to feel for Rovers. Great second half show but that last goal is a killer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,796 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Kind of comical that a team that often only gets 1,000 bums on seats for home games should have such a good team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭PGE1970




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,373 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Linfield barely getting past Total Network Solutions last week and then beating Bodo/Glimt tonight provides a bit of hope that we might not be hockeyed by Motherwell.

    Shkupi also managed to draw 2-2 in Zagreb which is quite a result for them. Looks like it might be a tough game for Shams in the next round whoever loses that tie.



  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Liberta Per Gli Ultra


    These juiced up clubs aren't viable in the medium to long term, but they wouldn't even be close to viable in the short term if it wasn't for the system of guaranteed payoffs that UEFA uses to compensate the champions of smaller leagues (and now medium leagues) for being pushed further away from the "Champions" League.

    They've turned an imperfect ecosystem into a frankenstein because they've never had the courage or will to tell the clubs that used to be known as the G14 to go fùck themselves whenever they threatened to break away. So the sport of football in Europe is left with a bunch of dysfunctional national leagues where one club plays and wins a game of dominance to the point where a league title (a thing that's supposed to matter) becomes a means to an end.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭tastyt


    Jeez with Toal going now too League 1 clubs are really raiding the league of top young players . Shite for the fans and the quality of the league , even more miserable when you see the fees involved

    Certainly don’t blame the players though , shows where we are as a league when it’s a no brainer to go to league 1 for money , facilities, crowds , ambition and longer term contracts in general



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,672 ✭✭✭adaminho


    I wonder would it be beneficial to clubs if minimum contract was brought in whereby your first pro contract had to be for 3 years and your second had to be for 2 . That would bring most players to 23 and would guarantee some compensation if they transfered. I know there would be arguments about affordability for clubs etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭trashcan


    With fans being fans there would also no doubt be complaints if a player wasn’t working out, but he still has two years of a contract to see out. As supporters we want it all ways really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    There's alot of shady characters involved in clubs around Europe and i include the EPL in that.

    Building a 12,000 seater for a club with an average attendance of 1,000 is wasteful at best but possibly points to something else. I presume i can't say it out outright on here but you can use your imagination.

    Talk of Riga, another club with a 1,000 average attendance, building a €25 million training ground. Similar story at Sheriff. These clubs are operating at such a low commercial level that even if they were to win the Champions League their owners probably wouldn't recoup a fraction of the money they've put in.

    A simple fit and proper ownership test for clubs in European competitions and UEFA actually implementing their own rules on FFP would go a long way. Hard for the governing body to regulate corruption when they're swimming in it themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,796 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Pat's doing ok so far, by for a home game they look a bit too cautious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Watching the Rovers game on the Motherwell feed. Been most impressed with the commentators. They've a good bit of knowledge about the Rovers players, former players and management. They've clearly done their homework.RTE could learn a thing or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Keena with a great finish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Forrester goal for Pats



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    I think dundalks win over shediff was provbably probably better thn the win over bate. I.think Sheriff had 8 pitches then. They play in the Russian controlled part of Moldova. Mafia springs to mind. Sligo look in control.

    Post edited by joeysoap on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,373 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Legends ❤️




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,496 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Very good results tonight, fair play to Pats and particularly Sligo. That non-award of a penalty for Sligo better not be crucial



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    Fair play Sligo, what a result!

    Lose to Bala, lose to UCD and beat Motherwell.

    The greatest league in the world!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,373 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Keena's goal




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