No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11

Nope, first time and their boosters are spun out at this stage so many are getting hit with it.

Great way to roll up public support against farming.

Could be classed as an incitement to hatred against a minority.

It's the vegan money behind the green agenda - they want rid of all forms of livestock farming.

Thats why I think the whole "Origin Green" thing is failing badly as a brand. Instead of promoting the best of extensive beef, mountain lamb etc. including the likes of 50k broiler houses and intensive pig units etc. is just taking the p*ss and does nothing to show livestock production in a good light:(. I happened to visit one of the latter recently quiet by accident while on other business and I have to say keeping 9 animals the size of Shetland Ponies in an area similar to most peoples bedrooms minus any natural light or decent ventilation etc. cannot be justified on any basis. Also doing the rounds on social media atm is a story from Germany concerning pigs photographed piled on top of each other, gasping for air in the heat in the back of a livestock trailer last week. This type of sh*t needs to be called out for what it is cos it its toxic to farmers image across the board

Tim was poor no real passion in him

It's all very planned. Whoever is in this cult has a direct line with main stream media.

Michael Fitzmaurice was on radio 1 a week or so ago about turf. Then RTE had some "professor" on straight after going on about his terrible experiences of turf and how he couldn't heat his house with it. Then the interviewer had a good laugh at it.

After you'd a member of an Taisce tweeting their disgust at RTE for giving MF " a platform " re turf.

Now today you've RTE radio this morning saying if Agriculture doesn't reduce emissions by 30% that they're going to take people's second cars. That came out today too I take it in The Examiner.

Now this evening you've Gibbon's hero Monbiot v Cullinan on RTE 1.

Even more importantly biogenic methane is different to methane from fossil fuels. The methane isotopes can be measured to see which are the biggest concentration in the atmosphere but there is no appetite to measure them.

That about wraps it up a vegan cafe at a woollen mill. There you have the plastic vegans. Further proof that it's a fad.

Nothing like a good recession and stagflation to knock some common sense into them.

It's a win win threat.

All through this and you could see from the commentary in the farmers journal with the env wing of the ag dept. The ifa have been landed with similar threats. There's two choices given. But it doesn't matter, by picking the lessor one, you've played into their hands anyway.

Theirs no thinking involved on their part just ground to be taken.

By win win threat. The counter argument was made by a politician that suv's in Eamon Ryan's constituency be seized. The same online environmentalists applauded, loved that.

eamon ryan and Co are a cancer because targeting farmers because of questionable science will come back to haunt them when it doesn't work and warming gets worse

I usually try and avoid reading any climate articles that don’t mention fossil fuel or air travel cuts. Anything that doesn’t include these isn’t balanced reporting.

read earlier that the US army is estimated to produce as much green house gasses as 140 countries worldwide yet the yanks refuse to measure or report on it based on “national security”

Just thinking too about the ultimatum given to get the headlines.

Notice how the public's transportation was the other choice not a data centre/s.

Its about time the IFA got serious about the information war thats going on, Cullinan is a pig farmer, he knows little or nothing about the science around climate change, we need someone debating that does. Theres a clear lobby being financed by vegan/synthetic food interests, its very easy for that journalist to come on last nite and start shouting that the sky will fall down if we don't get rid of cattle. We need a dietician to explain that meat and dairy are required for a healthy lifestyle and that we'll be walking into another crisis if we move away from those. And we need someone with a background in science to explain how emissions are being incorrectly calculated for agriculture coupled with us being the only industry to have to account for emissions at source

IFA have ran scared from this issue for twenty years. They hadn't they foresight to see what was coming and now that the horse has bolted I don't see them recovering their position.