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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Agree, this is window dressing. Will make zero difference.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Keep people fooled into thinking something will be done to address the problem with migrants.

    But the true reality is our leaders now take a 6 week break so it will be a free for All for migrants for the next 2 months before any change would be enforced. Even then I wouldn't expect anything to happen.

    As I said before until some party or leaders have the balls to really call out whats happening to the country at the moment nothing will change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    When you analyse it dispassionately, such is the infinite number of people in the world who's situation is far worse than what the most impoverished in Ireland endure , taking in even half a million will only put a tiny dent in the hardship of the world's population in dire need, the only goal of taking in these people is a sort of near exercise in secular holiness.

    Is this venture in generosity towards strangers and whatever feeling of decency it illicits worth it for the real risk it brings to a fracturing of social cohesion through increased pressure on the native population?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Society is continually undergoing change and is always in flux



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,919 ✭✭✭Cordell


    The changes can be guided and the flux can be stemmed. We need to change for the better, not worse, and for that we need to be very careful about the contents of that flux. And we need to watch the flux level as currently its causing a severe overflow.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    That's how climate change deniers frame their narrative. There's always been change in climate, this time is no different. Only it is.

    Same goes for this multiculturalism fetish/faith. Yes societies have indeed undergone change and have been in flux, but like climate change in the past these changes were almost always gradual and cultural differences were not nearly so great. Where and when they weren't gradual and cultural differences were wider they were always on the back of conflict, invasion and colonisation. The climate change equivalent of a super massive volcano going off. And in these cases the native populations always suffered*.

    Ireland has gone from near zero inward migration 30 years ago to one in five of the current population not Irish born today. That's a fantastically rapid change near unprecedented even in Western European multicultural nations.




    *Now on the back of that we could go the What have the Roman's ever done for us argument. An amusing gag with some truth to it, but the wider truth was those living in occupied Israel were utterly screwed over and cast to the four winds in the aftermath.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    The leader welcomes the new visa restrictions.

    Sinn fein says that the government should of been better prepared and needs better planning.

    The refugee spokesperson say it's an unwelcome development.

    OGorman says the tents won't be along stay for refugees and expects them to be in accommodation within a week.

    What a load of bo**ocks.

    Does anyone really believe these crowd.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Miadhc


    The refugees spokesperson, a Brit.


    The Anglo question is real.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Listening to him in the news spouting off about these tents must be for a short stay only.

    I have yet to hear any of these idiots state where this accommodation is going to come from.

    Total waffle.



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    How long would you like to see people staying in tents yourself?



  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Geert von Instetten



    The Department of Foreign Affairs chartered flights to repatriate hundreds of Nigerian nationals as COVID emerged. This was well publicised at the time, as was the repatriation of Afghan nationals visiting Afghanistan as the Taliban arrived in Kabul.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    We shouldn't of taken in so many that we had to resort to tents imo.

    Now.your turn.

    Where are we going to put these people in these tents. And mind we still have migrants landing every day and 1500 will also be looking for accommodation when the college campus accommodation is needed for students.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That has nothing whatsoever to do with your original statement



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Same places we've been putting them already, just expand it further

    In addition student accommodation can be used for a few years for this purpose, students can simply study from home as per covid lockdowns, no biggie. They may not like it, missing out on piss-ups, but priorities



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,266 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Just goes to show how short sighted and reactionary this shower are… so many of us foresaw this coming ffs, you didn’t need a crystal ball.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Where are these same places. Please be more specific. Are they not in tents because we have ran out of these places.

    So let me get this right. You think that student accommodation should be used from now on as migrant centres for the foreseeable future.

    Nobody seems to have an answer to this so Don't be afraid to admit that there are no more places



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭golondrinas


    Press release to day. It is intended that a Garda station will be built in RosslareHbr. It should have been started the day brexit was voted in. Verona Murphy was pilloried when she called it as it is. Being head of the IHA she knew the fears of hauliers. The damage to trucks. The spoiled cargos that had to be destroyed for health and safety reasons as it had been defecated and urinated on in the back of trucks. FG wokes turfed her out for having the gall to call it out.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's approx 160,000 hotel rooms in the state, increase the number being used, still leaves loads of capacity

    So let me get this right. You think that student accommodation should be used from now on as migrant centres for the foreseeable future.

    Who said anything about migrant centers? I'm talking about accommodation.

    There's also the pledges which have been very slow in being allocated. A further drive to get more offers would likely see additional capacity added there too.

    Lastly, additional accommodation is being built every day in the form of houses and apartments. CPO/lease/rent whatever is needed for the interim

    Sure there are capacity issues and bottlenecks, but that is to be expected with the volume, I would be stunned if there weren't issues, but it'll get sorted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,919 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Right, students can be sacrificed, that is, that's a sacrifice you lot are willing to allow them to make.

    IMHO the students, the future of this country, should never be sacrificed, and definitely not for other countries, but that's just my ignorant racist view, or something. You people are unreal.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Likely use it for a migrant holding centre when it's finished.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    As I thought, totally haven't a sensible answer.

    God knows what kind of a country you envisage. Hotels full of migrants and no student accommodation because there accommodation are full of migrants. And lastly should this additional accommodation you mention not be used for our own citizens living in hotels and b&bs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,919 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes it's really weird how easily are you willing to take things away from some that have absolutely no duty to do anything and give them to some others that did nothing to deserve them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    I see your points but believe you have missed another potential stream of accommodation.

    Students stay home-

    CPO new build houses and apartments-

    How about put everyone over 70 into a home and use their houses?



  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    It is entirely relevant to the original statement, approximately a fifth (18%) of the emergency repatriations from Afghanistan in 2021 were Afghan nationals with Irish residency rights. A fifth and that is at a time when the Taliban were at the gates of Kabul. As far as I’m aware, Germany is the only EU Member State that substantively records this information, the reason for that, is that Germany is the only EU Member State that reserves the right to reassess asylum applications based on this information. Even then, German statistics are based on openly declared return visits, German officials are adamant that the majority of return visits are undeclared. If I remember correctly, there was a minor furore after Welt am Sonntag reported on the number of asylum claimants (primarily Syrian) returning to visit their country of origin, Merkel had to comment on the matter. Even if you dispute it, allow it to remain as an anecdotal contribution to the discussion, evidenced, in as far as recorded evidence is publicly available, by the percentage of non-Irish nationals with residency rights repatriated during the pandemic and the assault on Kabul. By the way, you fabricated the housing arrangements contained in the White paper on ending Direct Provision and entirely ignored my response to that misinformation - what you wrote was well beyond disputable, it was patently false.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    It's not reactionary, pretty much everyone in the political establishment wants this country rammed to gills for their own reasons, and be damned how many Irish people wind up living in tents.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭lmao10


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    Aren't you an immigrant? Going off your logic you are using up facilities and housing that could be used by the indigenous Irish. What about the homeless Irish person who is now on the street tonight while an Eastern European immigrant who wasn't born here has accommodation and can comfortably post on boards... I'm just using your own logic here..



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