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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    lol Reminds me of Hitler meeting Mussolini, At the time Mussolini did not have a high regard for Hitler. Erdoğan being Mussolini in the context of respect.  



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,670 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Don't have to tell me, I've lived here for almost 10 years. Hopefully they don't see this when it comes time to apply for citizenship...



  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Ukrainian air defence shot down Su-35 jet over Kherson region

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There's been a suggestion that the aircraft was a victim of blue on blue rather than Ukrainian air defenses shooting it down.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Quite possible there were reports of Donetsk Peoples Liberation (lol) unit getting shelled by own lot and not having communications

    and here we have yet another Russian fail video




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭zv2


    The hypocrisy is so thick you could walk on it.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Russia is planning what we all knew it would plan. I can't at all see how they can carry off more annexation as they have little support on the ground in these places.

    The areas targeted for annexation include Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Luhansk

    Dan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    If Russia want to cause maximum damage in Europe, they will cut the gas off now, rather than wait for Europe to wean themselves off it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,670 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It will cause maximum damage and remove all leverage.

    Though actually would probably cause more damage to do it in Winter, we still won't be weaned off Russian gas by then.



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    Calls among Russian nationalist and pro-war voices for Russian President Vladimir Putin to expand Russia’s war aims, mobilize the state fully for war, and drop the pretext that Russia is not engaged in a war reached a crescendo on July 19. Former Russian militant commander and nationalist milblogger Igor Girkin presented an extensive list of military, economic, and political actions that he argues the Kremlin must take to win the war in Ukraine; first among this list is abandoning the rhetoric of the “special military operation” and defining the official goals of the war in Ukraine. Girkin advocated for expansive territorial aims beyond the Kremlin’s stated ambitions in Donbas, including the reunification of the entire territory of “Novorossiya” (which Girkin maintains includes Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv, Odesa, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Donetsk, and Luhansk oblasts as well as Kryvyi Rih) with the Russian Federation and the creation of a Malorossiya state (all of Ukraine up to the Polish border), which Girkin claims should be reunified with Russia through the Russia-Belarus Union State. Girkin also called for the Kremlin to shift the Russian economy fully to a war footing and to carry out extensive mobilization measures including forced conscription and the (further) suspension of Russians’ rights.

    Girkin has often criticized what he views as a lack of ambition and decisive action in the Kremlin’s handling of the war in Ukraine through his calls for maximalist objectives and measures to support territorial gains. His newest list of demands adds to the growing discontent within the Russian pro-war nationalist zeitgeist.

    While Girkin’s July 19 post is an acerbic critique of the Kremlin’s intentions in Ukraine, other Russian milbloggers sought to shape a narrative favoring Putin while advancing the same maximalist aims by suggesting that the Kremlin has been purposefully setting conditions for a protracted war in Ukraine since the war began. Russian milblogger Yuri Kotyenok claimed that Russia has been pursuing the “Syrianization” of the war in Ukraine by never articulating specific deadlines or goals for operations in Ukraine.

    The explicit invocation of protracted Russian operations in Syria suggests that certain Russian nationalist voices are setting conditions for a long war in a way that saves face for the Kremlin given Russia’s failure to secure its military objectives in Ukraine in the very short period that the Kremlin initially planned.

    Putin could simply ignore the milbloggers, although he has shown concern for their positions in the recent past, or he could play off their narratives in several ways. He might wait and see what resonance their calls for full mobilization and broader war aims have within the portions of the Russian population he cares most about. He might hope that their semi-independent calls for more extreme measures could fuel support for an expansion of aims and mobilization that he desires but feels Russians remain unprepared to accept. He may instead reject their calls for grander ambitions and greater sacrifices, thereby presenting himself as the moderate leader refraining from demanding too much from his people.

    US officials reported that Russia plans to annex occupied Ukrainian territory as soon as autumn 2022, confirming ISW’s May 2022 assessment. US National Security Council Spokesperson John Kirby announced that the Kremlin is beginning to roll out a version of its 2014 “annexation playbook” in Ukraine and is “examining detailed plans” to annex Kherson, Zaporizhia, and all of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, citing newly declassified intelligence.Kirby confirmed ISW’s long-running assessment that the Kremlin has installed illegitimate proxy officials, forced use of the ruble, replaced Ukrainian telecommunications and broadcast infrastructure with Russian alternatives, and forced Ukrainians to apply for Russian passports to accomplish basic tasks in occupied territories.As ISW wrote on May 13, Putin’s timeline for annexation is likely contingent on the extent to which he understands the degraded state of the Russian military in Ukraine. He may intend to capture the remainder of Donetsk Oblast before annexing all occupied territories, which would likely force him to postpone annexation. Russia’s degraded forces are unlikely to occupy all of Donetsk Oblast before Russia’s September 11 unified voting day for local and gubernatorial elections across the country, the most likely date for annexation referenda to be held. The Kremlin could also postpone these Russian regional and local elections to limit expressions of domestic dissatisfaction with the Russian invasion of Ukraine—independent Latvia-based Russian language newspaper Meduza reported in May that members of Russia’s Federal Security Service and National Security Council were lobbying to postpone the September 2022 elections.

    Putin could leverage nuclear threats to deter a Ukrainian counteroffensive into annexed Kherson, Zaporizhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk oblasts.After annexation, Putin may state, directly or obliquely, that Russian doctrine permitting the use of nuclear weapons to defend Russian territory applies to newly annexed territories. Such actions would threaten Ukraine and its partners with nuclear attack if Ukrainian counteroffensives to liberate Russian-occupied territory continue. Putin may believe that the threat or use of nuclear weapons would restore Russian deterrence after his disastrous invasion shattered Russia's conventional deterrent capabilities, although previous Russian hints at Moscow’s willingness to use nuclear weapons have proven hollow. Ukraine and its Western partners may have a narrowing window of opportunity to support a Ukrainian counteroffensive into occupied Ukrainian territory before the Kremlin annexes that territory.

    Russian milbloggers are increasingly openly criticizing the Russian military for failing to address structural problems with Russian Airborne Forces (VDV), highlighting the VDV’s failure to fight the war as it had trained in peacetime, a failing that played no small role in the general Russian failures during the initial invasion. Russian milblogger Military Informant stated that Russian VDV has not adopted force structure and tactics reforms that the Russian military already knew were necessary prior to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.Military Informant stated that lightly armored Russian VDV vehicles (such as BMD and BTR-D) are too heavy to enable effective airborne mobility—especially in contested airspace—and too light to provide sufficient protection in maneuver warfare. Russian milblogger Alexander Sladkov similarly noted that Russian VDV forces‘ structural reliance on a small number of lightly armored fighting vehicles is a liability.Military Informant praised how the Russian VDV previously practiced using light unarmored vehicles for higher mobility in three consecutive years of annual capstone command staff exercises (Tsentr 2019, Kavkaz 2020, and Zapad 2021) but noted that these adaptations did not have time to “take root” before the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

    The Russian military’s failure to implement lessons learned—or to learn the right lessons—from previous exercises or combat is an ongoing trend that ISW has observed.The most prominent example of this phenomenon was the Russian military’s failure to create a cohesive command and control system for the amalgamation of approximately 120 Russian battalion tactical groups (BTGs) assembled for the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine after experiencing successes operating smaller numbers of BTGs in Ukraine in 2014 and in Syria in 2016.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    On a similar theme, Lavrov is now admitting that the aim is no longer just to "liberate" the Donbas, but to annex various parts of Ukraine :





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭dePeatrick




  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    I have to say, there will be memes made from this video for sure

    You can just see the thoughts flowing through his brain in his face expressions

    “Hmm I wonder what he deserves more? Novichok or Polonium”



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,968 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Why is Turkish President engaging with that raging lunatic? I thought Turkey was help Ukraine



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They are friends to both, and he just loves the honest broker image. TBH they may play a key role in the end of this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Turkey will help Turkey. Play all sides.

    But the Turks know their history with Russia. A weaker Russian military is good for Turkey. Russian money is also good for Turkey.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭thomil


    Powerplays, simple as that. Turkey has always had ambitions to be the dominant regional power and they're flexing that muscle now. Russia knows that they need to deal with Turkey to get their shipments of stolen grain out of the Black Sea. Erdogan is using that, together with the fact that Turkey is one of the few main avenues into and out of Russia to strengthen his position both as a Black Sea hegemon and in Syria.

    Putin knows this, he doesn't like it, but he also doesn't really have a choice. His military is not powerful enough to engage Turkey, which would also bring NATO into the conflict as a combatant and he knows that the Montreux Convention gives Ankara the right to block ALL shipping to any of the belligerents from passing through the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. So he needs to play nice with Turkey. Just look at the video at the top of this page. Putin is quite clearly not the dominant partner in that relationship.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Ostensibly it was a conference about Syria. Turkey occupies pockets of Northern Syria since 2016.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    It must take incredible amounts of strength not to respond to Russians by lobbing missiles into Belgorod from Kharkiv which is well within HIMARS and m270 range



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Interesting story on Twitter about how Russian "journalists" (lol) were going to report a supposed successful attack on HIMARS equipment in Ukraine. This 'attack' was to be filmed in Belarus this coming Friday with the cooperation of Belarussian authorities. Unfortunately for them, someone has leaked part of the correspondence between the journalists and the military, presumably putting the kibosh on the whole propaganda stunt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Russia has expanded its goals from the Donbas to zaporizhzhia and Kherson, this war wont be over by Christmas 2023, maybe by Christmas 2043

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    That's a morale announcement. All open source intel points towards Russia is not being in any shape to sustain a campaign like that deep into next year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It does tell us the illegality of the regime. Russia has no legitimate claim to either of those places - Kherson for example is a very Ukrainian city, with perhaps 75% of its population ethnic Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Russia has no legitimate claim to a square inch of Ukrainian territory, it doesn't matter how many Russian ethnics there are in any given region, that ain't how the world works. And Putin will be taught that with drone, rifle, missile and bodybag.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭rogber


    Unfortunately it often is how the world works, look at our own little island, a decent portion of which is still in the hands of a power with no legitimate claim to it. Moral right has little to do with it



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I'd advise you to take a look at our constitution if you think what you posted is right.

    And Putin will learn the hard way that the 19th century statesmanship is firmly in the past.



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