Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Oh, yeah, found some data:

• There have been 33,151 Personal Public Service Numbers (PPSNs) issued to individuals from Ukraine under the Temporary Protection Directive.
• Women aged 20 and over account for 48% of arrivals to date, while individuals aged 0-19 (both male and female) account for 38%. 
• The highest percentage of those arriving (43% or 14,271 individuals) were categorised as 'One parent with children' under the broad relationship classification headings used. Note that spouses/partners may have stayed in Ukraine.
• The Local Electoral Area (LEA) which had the highest number of associated arrivals from Ukraine was North Inner City in Dublin with 1,156 individuals.

So, women and children account for 86% of the refugees. If we presume that the distribution remains the same (why would it change over a month?), there should be about 36000 of women and children here and about 6 thousands from the other groups. It's likely that at least half of the remainder are pensioners, so we shouldn't have more than 3000 men of draftable age here. It's likely that some significant percentage of them are actually exempt from the army.

So what your saying is ehhhhh I can't back up my claim, I went to a protest 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦

A more Data, statistics. The CSO is using different sources of info to collate data....

This release includes an analysis of Ukrainian arrivals who are availing of support and services from the Department of Social Protection. Based on the local post office address as per the process through which refugees were seeking assistance from the Department

Had the poster who's posted the CSO stats been around this thread before - they'd know we've seen it before already posted previously, but is clearly unaware of what is actually occurring at Ports of Entry under the Absurd EU directive,

They might grasp there's. Actually very little information that can be truely relyed on from the following info.

I won't go through numerous, glaring and astonishing problem with the EU directive as that too has been discussed at nauseum, but just one Tit Bit of information they may be unaware of .

The Directive essentially covers

All Ukrainian Citizens wether they were resident or Not in Ukraine at the dates applicsble to the Directive. We've already discussed some exotic locations some have arrived from and these were certainly not Refugees.

Anyone who had the vaguest connection to Ukraine, wether it be residency, lived there, worked there etc was also covered by the Directive. (Of course proving or verification of this near impossible)

There was of course appropriate caveats but essentially ignored.

At ports of Entry essentially there was absolutely no vetting, controls, checking or verifications taking place, this is a simple fact and it continues to this Day, Not even a, passport is required just a convincing sob story, I don't mean to be harsh but this is actually happening on a daily basis.

So some do gooders will say, a well its an emergency etc etc.

Before I continue, there is some ligitimate reason why Checks were not being done, primarily an inability to actually verify anything as the Ukranian system of Government has ceased to function so verification of residency in Ukraine, verify passports, Driving licences, Official ID impossible but I'm afraid that's no excuse and at a minimum the Ukranian authorities should have been told to have a system of verification in Place, but of course we know Zelenskyy couldn't give a Toss about his own people, he's quite happy for others to take care of his problems.

So let's be abundantly clear here, there is actually no way to know who is a Genuine Refugee (this is not to suggest the majority are not)

We have no way to know how many undesirables have gained Entry.

We've no way of knowing who's chanced their arm and jumped on the vague connection rule.

I for one am not in the slightest bit interested in Gender Breakdowns age profiles, I want to know who these people are and when are they heading home.

I'm not going to get into the Shenanigans, Two Tier supports and other carry on that has infuriated many, I'm just bringing a new individual to this thread up to speed, to avoid days of nonsense, who's admitted they have friends and family in Ukraine are clearly not very objective and seems intent on deflection and starting world war 3.

That's it 😉

These tables are built on PPSN data. There is just one source of PPSNs and it's very reliable. Ireland did a lot to get rid of any possible mistakes/fraud with PPSN.

Enlighten me please, what's happening there? A refugee won't be allowed in until they are registered for PPSN.

There are stats for that. There are 876 people (2%) who came from Ukraine but are not Ukrainians. And they can't be drafted, by the way.

Can you prove that? They don't allow people to enter until they are registered for PPSN and fingerprinted.

Distant relatives, not family. I'm Russian and have family members and friends there.

Most of them are wealthy (on Ukrainian scale) and/or educated well-paid professionals, it's hard to get to Ireland if you have no money. They'll head home once the war ends and temporary protection expires. If you wish them to head home ASAP - do something to stop the war.

The data in biometrical passports is digitally signed (see Passive Authentication) and can't be faked. Most of those who traveled here have biometrical passports, it's hard to get on a flight without one (and wasn't possible at all before the war). Also Ukraine stopped issuing non-biometrical passports long time ago.

I've heard that there were issues with them and that these days are long gone. From what I know currently the government even uses AI-based photo matching tools to prevent PPSN fraud and these systems are really reliable in our days.

You are asking me about Russell's teapot. Probably you may need to educate yourself a bit.

I know about the corruption and I've heard how pricey it is.

It costs between 1.5-5k $ to get out of Ukraine. Price depends on the option chosen whether you want to leave as a student studying in Poland, as a volunteer or having so called "white ticket" where your name is added to the database that you have an illness that prevents you from serving in the army.

According to Polish news (same can even be found in the Ukrainian news as well), between 24th of Feb and June, 432k men between 18-60 entered Poland. That's just Poland. How many left via other countries goes on top of this figure. SBU trying to catch those who organise these things is also mentioned in the article.

https://www.rp.pl/konflikty-zbrojne/art36486841-wbrew-zakazowi-z-ukrainy-do-polski-wjechalo-432-tys-mezczyzn-objetych-mobilizacja

Some fight on the front line, others are making mad money. What's new?

Ireland cannot remain neutral in this conflict, because Ireland is a likely target for the later stages of Empire rebuilding. It would be very unwise to do what you want.

By the way, most of regular russians think that Ireland is a part of UK "full of uneducated dirty farmers" and they consider UK as their mortal enemy. Think about it.

In the end it may happen the the administrative costs of such operation would be lot higher than potential savings, as I said before most likely that significant part of these 6005 are not eligible for the army service.

I doubt it. I've heard rumours about tens of thousands. Without guarantee.

A "white ticket" is, actually, a military man record book with a stamp/record confirming your eligibility category. From what I know, the border guards won't let anyone with D category but without any visible signs of a disability to leave the country. All other categories are eligible for drafts and cannot leave. There are many stories in the news about men who were unable to leave the country despite of being ineligible, including the ex-president.

I'm not blood thirsty at all - if your Russian state treated it's neighbours with due respect at all, we wouldn't be in this mess.

But Ukraine was violently invaded and Ukrainians are required to defend it. Invaded by Russians who have been hell bent on killing & maiming all they can.

Of course, any draft dodgers here should be sent back asap. There are many ways they can serve, not necessarily at the front lines.

As for Russia itself, a state that once commanded respect across many aspects of society - it has beggared itself and become a pariah.

Well, I've tried to do what I was able to do about that and long before the war (I've seen it coming since 2014). I stopped paying taxes there long time ago. I never voted for Putin. Why you are saying "your Russian state"? There is nothing "mine" and I was always bullied there. For "being too smart" or "too different". Since the kindergarten. One of the worst insults in Russia is "it seems like you are too smart"

Don't think they care about that. They are thinking about world domination.

Well, I posted some links above. Just read what top-level officials say. They want to "claim Alaska back", build "big united Russia from Lisbon to Vladivostok", "enslave UK in retaliation to all the evil they did to Russia" or "wipe UK with tsunami caused by underwater thermonuclear explosion" (by the way they've shown Ireland being "wiped" too, in prime time on Russia One TV channel), etc, etc. It would be funny but these are words of senators, the leader of United Russia, the speaker of parliament, regional governors, etc, etc.

And yes, "regular people" fed with non-stop TV propaganda 24/7 are really expecting Russia to literally rule the world (together with China) within 10-year timeframe.

I've just given up, poster will get bored , I think they are trying to achieve a record on how fast a person can reach 100 posts on Boards, other than that, some bewildering stuff , I get a sense they think it's still March 🤔

Nope, it's not March. People got used to bloody news, got some inconveniences because of the problems with the economy (all caused by unwise decisions taken in the past despite countless warnings) and now wish to ignore the problem.

It won't be possible to ignore the problem, the country went nuts, the propaganda is mad but very effective. If West ignores this war (or continues to implement half-measurements at the expense of tens of thousands of Ukrainian lives) there will be more wars in Europe. Presumably not only in Europe, as I said before recently they've started talking about claiming back Alaska. Russia has no resources for these megalomaniac plans at the moment but they won't even need them if this "don't look up" approach continues.

Never at the level of senators and governors.