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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    pfft sums it up.

    It is game for bored better off people. They try to outdo each other pushing crazy ideas on everybody else. They found a second calling to portray themselves as some sort of a saviors of a planet on someone else's dime, kind of a faith mixed with a hobby situation.



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    These numbers don't make for good reading. At the current rate, we're well on track to miss the emissions reduction targets.


    The figures show a 4.7% rise in emissions compared to 2020, when Covid-19 restrictions resulted in "a significant lowering" of the levels.

    It means emissions are 1.1% above the 2019 pre-pandemic rates.

    The Director General of the EPA, Laura Burke, said "a return to coal use in electricity generation, together with continued growth in emissions from the agriculture sector and a partial rebound in transport emissions following the easing of Covid restrictions, have combined to deliver an increase on pre-pandemic levels of emissions."

    She said "the data shows the scale of change needed within and across all sectors of Ireland's economy to make sustained progress in reversing this trend and to meet our EU commitments and national greenhouse gas emission reduction targets."

    The EPA report also said the provisional figures indicate that 23.5% of the Carbon Budget for the five-year period between 2021 and 2025 has already been used in one year.

    In order to stay within budget, it said an 8.4% annual average emissions reduction from 2022 to 2025 will now be required.

    EPA Senior Manager, Stephen Treacy, said "the provisional greenhouse gas emission estimates for 2021 are a cause for concern in relation to achieving Ireland's binding Carbon Budget targets".

    He said: "Staying within the current budget now requires deep emission cuts of over 5 Mt CO2 eq per annum over the succeeding four years."





  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We had one of the strictest lockdowns in the world. Hardly surprising. Don't think imprisoning people within 5km of their homes is sustainable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Sure we just buy carbon credits to achieve compliance like the greens in their business class flights.. anyway turns out the saviour to us all wind didn't blow so we had to resort to the old reliables. Just watch the greens today telling us the answer is more wind !



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    What would you rather? Should be something that you can realistically have implemented before 2030



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Are the opposition against the concept of retrofits? Seems an sensible idea to upgrade draughty poorly insulated houses.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ireland did indeed have one of the strictest lockdowns globally - and as I have said many times previously on other threads - I wonder how the government of Ireland will react to the next crisis that may involve a potential reduction in living standards, or liberty curtailment - for the 'greater good'. I think I know the answer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭cal naughton


    Twice in post's you have said that you don't know what a heat pump is. I find that incredible for such a staunch defender of the green agenda as yourself.

    Heat pumps are a central tenet of Ryan's policies!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    The problem is when such curtailments are not matched with quid-pro-quo support that allows people to get on with their lives. In the end I had to deliberately break lockdown to get stuff done.

    Actually that sounds not far off what is going to happen with turf and coal..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Do you believe the Germans are on going to be on target for EU emissions reductions and targets?

    But why do you think we've had to return to the use coal? Simething to do with the disasteroius renewables generation policies where unreliable wind generation means we continously have to fall back on both gas and coal perhaps?

    An return to higher levels of transport after lockdown really is no surprise. The only surprise is the EPA drumbanging that its somehow surprised!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Well the answer is definitely not wind, sure it has a part to play but the greens are telling us renewables are the answer when the village idiot can tell you that's bullshit. I see in England they have given the go ahead for a new nuclear plant built in 12 years and will power 6 million homes. Now that's forward thinking

    https://www.ft.com/content/11ca7193-f7d8-496f-bb90-d3270b2cf874



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    What most of the people will implement this winter will be a nice fireplace or some stove. With not enough and already expensive gas or oil people will go for whatever else they will be able to get their hands on. Turf, coal, timber and some other combustibles.

    New green deal and simillar bright ideas are being phased out. World can not function without fossil fuels without couple decades of solid investment in energy storage solutions. What is happening now is prime example of what happens when you bite more than you can swallow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That expert must be looking at different data to that I can find, which says Hornsea One has a lifetime capacity factor of 47.1% https://energynumbers.info/uk-offshore-wind-capacity-factors

    You don't suppose he's lying? A near 25% discrepancy is not a minor error.

    Yeah, baseload from wind. As likely as gold from horse manure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,373 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    sounds cheap for a retrofit. I'd seriously consider it if I could do it for 30k.



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    As I said it "should be something that you can realistically have implemented before 2030".

    Either way, we are on track to have several GW of additional wind capacity added to the grid by 2030. This coupled with a few GW of solar will cover most of our needs.

    2030-2050 is when we expand those further, add additional interconnectors, additional storage, green hydrogen etc.

    You don't like that plan, fair enough, but it is what is planned for the country.



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    Germany will be back on track soon enough. The antics of Russia are only going to hasten the transition away from fossil fuels as has been seen by the policy shifts




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    The announcement today from Ryan for EV's will definitely help speed up the transition to EV's

    The Minister for Transport, Eamon Ryan T.D. today (21 July 2022) announced a suite of grants and initiatives which will make it easier for people and businesses to make the switch to electric vehicles (EVs) during the launch of Zero Emission Vehicles Ireland. The new dedicated Office will oversee Ireland’s transition to zero emission vehicles.

    In total, Minister Ryan announced four new grant schemes and initiatives. Among them is a new apartment charging grant which will make it easier for people who live in apartments and multi-unit dwellings to charge an EV. He also announced an expansion to the home charger grant which will enable any tenants and homeowners to apply for a grant, whether they own an EV or not. This can also be used for visitor use or at rented accommodation.

    A new trial to promote and encourage the electrification of the commercial fleet was also announced, giving businesses the opportunity to test an EV free of charge for at least three months. For sports clubs across the island of Ireland, there will be new funding to install a network of publicly accessible chargers for members and visitors. A full outline of the new grants and initiatives is provided below.

    Zero Emission Vehicles Ireland’s principal focus is to enable the delivery of the ambitious electric vehicle targets under the Climate Action Plan. To ensure a fair and equitable transition to large scale zero emission vehicle use, the full range of needs for people and businesses across Ireland must be met, including ensuring a just transition for those in rural, Gaeltacht and Islands area. The existing and future EV charging infrastructure network must be accessible, safe and secure, benefiting communities and serving the needs of all citizens, including older people and people with disabilities. As well as infrastructure, a range of policy measures that could increase EV uptake will be considered ensuring, for example, wider access to EVs across society.

    Irish people are increasingly moving to electric vehicles. There has been an increase in the purchase of EVs in Ireland so far this year, with 21% of new cars licenced being electric or plug-in hybrid electric vehicles compared with 14% at this time last year. The Government’s EV target is a critical solution to reducing our transport emissions and is a key part of the strategy which also includes measures to reduce car journeys, through improved public and active transport networks.

    Speaking about Zero Emission Vehicles Ireland, Minister Ryan said:

    “We have to transform the way we get around our country so that we do not rely on expensive, carbon emitting and polluting fossil fuels. One of the ways we can help decarbonise our transport sector is by accelerating the uptake of electric vehicles, both passenger cars and the commercial fleet. This new Office will be at the heart of this transformation, charged with supporting consumers, the public sector and businesses to continue to make the switch to electric vehicles and to lead on the delivery of our ambitious target under the Climate Action Plan 2021 to have 945,000 electric vehicles in the Irish fleet by 2030.

    We are already seeing that there is an appetite for this switch with the increases in the purchase of electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles over the past year. I hope that the grants and initiatives we are launching today, along with Zero Emission Vehicles Ireland, will make it easier for people and businesses to continue to make the switch and then to be able to charge their cars, no matter where they live.”


    Key grants and initiatives launching today

    • Launch of the Apartment Charging Grant

    Residential charging is the most cost effective and convenient way of charging electric vehicles and is expected to make up 80% of overall charging needs. The EV Apartment Charging grant is being launched today, for dwellings which do not have access to a driveway such as apartments, duplexes as well as mixed developments. Further information can be found here.


    • Expansions of the EV Home Charger Grant

    The EV Home Charger grant is also being expanded from today. This will enable any tenants and homeowners to apply for a grant, whether they own an EV or not. This can also be used for visitor use or at rented accommodation. Further information can be found on the SEAI page here.


    • EV Smart Charger Register

    From September 2022 the Home Charger grant will only provide funding for Smart Chargers. This will improve safety, prevent excessive electrical demand and facilitate better integration with renewable energy sources. For manufacturers and installers wishing to register their products please see this page.


    Vehicles

    • EV Commercial Fleet Trial

    A new trial is being launched today to promote and encourage the electrification of the commercial fleet in Ireland. This trial will afford businesses the opportunity to test an EV free of charge for a minimum period of three months. Its purpose is to show, through real world evidence, the benefits, savings and the suitability and viability of EVs in a commercial setting. To apply or to access more information please see SEAI’s website here.


    In-progress initiatives


    • Destination Charging Grant for Sports Clubs

    The Shared Island Sports Club grant will provide funding to install a network of publicly accessible chargers in communities nationwide through their local sports clubs subject to certain eligibility criteria. This grant, with funding provided via the Government's Shared Island Fund, will operate on an all-island basis and provide grant funding via National Sports Governing Bodies to eligible sports clubs and centres to help defray the cost of installing publicly accessible EV charge points.

    • EV Charging Infrastructure

    The draft National EV Strategy underwent public and stakeholder consultation earlier this year, with over 14,000 responses to the online questionnaire along with detailed written submissions received from both individuals and organisations. Responses and submissions received as part of the consultation are currently being considered in the development of the final Strategy for publication later this year. The final Strategy will also an Implementation Plan that will set out a pathway for delivery of a high quality national EV charging Infrastructure.

    • Re-opening of Electric Small Public Service Vehicle (eSPSV) grant

    The aim of the eSPSV grant is to enable owners of small public service vehicles, such as taxis, hackneys and limousines, to buy electric vehicles, championing the electric experience for passengers and drivers in Ireland. Approximately €15m was allocated in 2022 to support SPSVs to switch to electric. The scheme is kept under continuous review and was paused to new applicants in April to allow for the drawdown and payment of provisional grant offers which usually have a time limit of three months. The scheme will now reopen for applications on 1st August 2022 and is managed by the NTA.

    • eVans

    Expansion of the current electric vans grant to include large panel vans will be announced later this year



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Not worth a fook in the winter when a high pressure system sits over ireland for 2 weeks plus as happened in 2021.

    But you know this yet still ignore it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    No mention of any help for private consumers towards the initial cost of purchasing the vehicle in the first place. Most half decent EVs are over 40000 euro.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Except we will be "punished" by more taxes from the greens for not being able to afford these retrofits.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,299 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    so all those studies from respected sources, including from vested interests, must be wrong so.....

    off shore wind is our only solution here, and quickly....



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    It's over 40000 euro after grants. I'm well aware there's grants available. They just don't go far enough for most working class people.



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    Then don't buy one or buy one secondhand 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,299 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...this is actually where the whole thing will probably fail, the only way to significantly increase electrification of our cars is to significantly increase subsidisation, this is currently why Nordic countries are experiencing very high numbers of new purchases being so.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    you don’t understand the core concept of batteries



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    So we'll just agree that in the main, a lot of the "green" stuff that Ryan wants us to do are the preserve of the well to do only?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Maybe he just knows what he is looking at being an actual expert as apposed to an armchair one.



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