Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

I don’t think Putin believes we are in the UK

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Well, I would agree with that, but it's not about a single TV station. The priming started in early 2000s. Novels, films, "patriotic education", all the shite about sacred russian role in the world history, new Bysantia, a global mystic-orthodox-communist "fifth empire" ruling the world.

I believe that this was driven by a revanchist offspring of "methodology" cult. As I said before the core of their beliefs is simple, they believe that you may shape the reality to your needs by exploiting some quirks of human brains and using proper words to describe the reality. This shite mixed together with imperialistic orthodox mystics (Dugin) and now we have what we have - a fascist state openly discussing and expecting to rule the world in foreseeable future :)

No but if Ireland via its membership of the EU enters into an agreement, a seriously generous one… I don’t want to see Ireland, its people, it’s resources taken for an expensive piss rip of a ride. Loads of young men in the university who were enquiring about gym membership on the campus gym where I’m a member.l

And the war is going to end when 2 years ,5 years,10 years

Mostly depends on the actions of the West. And, we should keep in mind that the West allowed this to happen. Refugees and inflation are the least of the possible inconveniences. Also it's highly likely that refugees won't be here if NATO impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine in February.

It may end this year, it may end in two years. Ukraine may (and should) win, Russia may win and conquer all the Europe. Who knows.

In the end Ireland should win. The people under TPS will leave. The government will inevitable do something with housing and the houses will stay. Those who stay would do it on a basis of a well-paid jobs and will pay taxes.

I think you should concentrate your anger on Russia, not on people under TPS.

The guy is not necessarily a draft dodger. He may have an exemption. Also the positive point is that he is a qualified professional and doesn't want to abuse welfare system.

Not sure if the girl is an actual con artist or just made a reproduction of some else's work (e.g. vectorised a picture).

I guess you are not a judge?

Anyways, even if these two are of a bad character, it would be to broad to extrapolate them onto the whole 43K crowd.

Also I'm wondering if you raised your voice when wealthy Russians were parking their bloody money in Dublin (they really were)? The refugees wouldn't be here if the war didn't happen. The war wouldn't happen if the EU would be less complacent about all the shite happening in Russia since 1999. Or if the West had developed a second Marshall plan for post-soviet countries in 1991.

You are rather optimistic.

We're not (supposed to be) offering a haven for economic migrants and chancers.

We're SUPPOSED to be offering temporary refuge for people fleeing war and real threat of death.

The 2 above should be put back on the next plane home, and many more with them.

Well it will be back on the agenda very quickly when students are looking for accomodation.

Savvy journalist Philip Dwyer 3 months ago was in Dublin airport questioning whether the system is being abused. His video can be found on YouTube

Employers aren’t charities (unlike the Irish taxpayer)- they want skills, people to fit in. Ukraine is the poorest nation in Europe. It’s likely the workforces skills level there very much reflects that- not what the bleedin hearts would have you believe of course, but likely very true.

Well, it's not surprising at all really. First of all, the language. One thing is to be able to get around town and get your groceries done with basic English, different story is when you are looking for a job in the office - nothing extra ordinary, but even front desk requires a good understanding and a solid spoken English. I have come across a few people advertising themselves as translators and teachers and their English was not great, to put it mildly. I know, it is a mixed bag, I am sure for each of those I've encountered, there would be other ones with good English and maybe some good qualifications. But still, that is not to say that the work market is easy to sail through for anyone. Never mind the jolly ideas to let newly arrived Ukrainians to be hired as doctors, nurses, etc... Professional licence, certificates, language exams, vetting?... There is a lot to it, much more than "Ah, sure, just let them work".

The hospitality sector effectively stabbed themselves in the back. In my area a few hotels got turned into the accommodation for Ukrainians, hence no tourists here, no need for extra staff to hire. Cafes and pubs are going by summer hire of students.

It would have been a good idea to have a separate program for people with certain qualifications or certain skills. But as the planning on the matter is level "zero", nothing sensible is to be expected.

Pity though, it could have been a good opportunity for the government to extract some use out of the situation and have this working both ways.

Why are we paying full dole as well as childrens allowance to people who are given full board and who could well have very healthy bank balance back home?