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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭ginger22




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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Will you ever cop on. If there was ever an example of the fallacy of renewables providing 100% reliable dependable energy it`s Germany with the hole they dug for themselves and spending 150 Billion doing it. To add to how wrong they got it, (and our greens by following ),and are still doing, they are back opening up coal burning plants, back mining for coal, buying more coal from Colombia`s 69,000 hectare open cast mine know locally as "The Monster" that uses 30 million liters of water a day, and back prospecting for fossil fuels while still planning to shut down the few nuclear plants they have left. Absolute nuts on whatever scale you wish to weigh that on.

    Even with the usual green inflated prices and timelines, how many nuclear plants would that money have built and what percentage of their electricity would it have now provided CO2 emissions free compared to the 40% they had last year, which like everywhere else in Europe due to wind unreliability was less than the previous year ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




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    I did acknowledge the short-term reprieve coal has gotten due to the Russian gas situation but its still on the way out there as they are committed to getting to 100% renewables by 2035, 15 years earlier than originally planned. Bet Putin didn't see that one coming.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306





    Burned area has been reducing globally for decades. Overall, global burned area (BA) has declined significantly (by 24.3% ± 8.8%) over the past 18 years (link below). The causes, effects, costs, and appropriate policy responses to wildfires are complicated. I wouldn't pretend otherwise, except when responding to climate catastrophists who claim the world is about to burst into flames next Tuesday week.

    Climate change, land use change, and changes in the urban-wildland interface are all factors. Wildfires are never going away -- they have been burning since time immemorial and consume up to 15% of the Earth's land area every year. In places where people live they are a manageable risk, and more sensible practices (typically not ones promoted by Greens) can reduce their costs.

    Since fires are episodic it's an area that is ripe for cherrypicking data. You could count fire frequency, average area burned per fire, number of fatalities, cost of property damage, fires by land use etc. etc. etc. It's all a bit pointless. I could tell you that number of wildfire fatalities is on a downward trend in North America for the past 30 years, but then it's slightly upward for the past 60. The numbers are tiny, though. Like all climate-related catastrophes, the numbers who die from them are miniscule and falling, and the cost as a fraction of GDP is similarly tiny. Notwithstanding that, you'd have no problem finding places (like California) where the urban-wildland interface is spreading and bad conservation practices have made the landscape more fire prone.

    The takeaway messages: wildfires have been with us forever and are not getting worse; they may get worse in future due to climate change but we can and will adapt; in terms of human flourishing they are a very tiny cause of casualties and relative income loss. Meanwhile, fires will continue to be a rich source of catastrophe porn:


    Some links:


    Wu et al.: Historical and future global burned area with changing climate and human demography.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590332221001299



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    Only thing I can tell you is that I'm aware Germany are way ahead of others in terms of green hydrogen sourcing with representatives travelling the world signing agreements/MOU's/partnerships etc.

    I'm sure they have other plans but I couldn't tell you what those are, you'll have to do the digging on that yourself



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Germany has been super committed to renewables for decades, and it's precisely the pursuit of that nonsense that has seen Germans lumbered with huge energy costs via subsidies on their bills to pay for this hopium and, now latterly, got them in the stupid fix they are in now because gas is the only viable instant backup to renewables failure and it failed majorly this past winter when the wind failed to show up.

    Who's been funding the German Greens and bribing politicians to pursue these stupid anti nuclear pro gas policies for decades - why it's Gazprom.

    Basically the green movement are stupid Russian dupes - and that's not confined to the German ones, either.

    And here you are with another stupid link dump trumpetting how the Germans are demonstrating the truth of the adage: those who fail to learn from the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them.



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    Its funny you mention cherry-picking when the article you linked to states the following

    The global decrease is mostly driven by less fire in savannahs and grasslands, mainly in Africa, but also in South America and Australia. In quantitative terms, fire in those grassy ecosystems account for around 70% of the total global area burnt, so the reduction in fire activity here outweighs the increase in burned area that we are seeing in other parts of the world.

    Based on this global decline, your study has been used by some to argue that climate change has not made fires worse or even to deny the existence of anthropogenic climate change. Does your study provide any evidence to support these views?  

    Not at all. The decline in global average area burned has indeed been misused to support false claims numerous times. There is strong evidence that the increase in fire activity we are seeing in many forested regions is indeed linked to climate change. Even the decrease in fire in tropical savannas that we just mentioned does not mean that climate change is not having an impact there too; actually, quite the opposite. This reduction has been in part attributed to conversion of savanna to agricultural land but, also, to shifting rainfall patterns that reduce the overall flammability of grasslands.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The Germans can throw out all the estimates they like on timelines, but they have already sunk 150 Billion into renewables and they are at 40%, and that was when they had Putin`s gas, so how much more will it cost to get to 100% without it. 200 Billion after doing a u turn going back, not just to fossil fuels, but the dirtiest of the lot, coal.?

    You, me any everyone else knows that there is not a hope of Germany being 100% self sufficient from renewables by 2035 without gas or nuclear being in the mix. Even Germany knows that with them rushing to build LNG terminals, so stop the fan boy stuff with Germany and see it for what it is. Compared to France they took the wrong approach, one we slavishly followed, and are still following elements of it that the German`s have thrown out the window on LNG and exploration. For 350 Billion the German`s would by 2035 have 100% self sufficiency and have pumped a lot less CO2 into the atmosphere had they followed the French example. As they are now, after spending 150 Billion to date, they are most likely next year going to move to 5th place of the worlds largest CO2 emitters.

    I will give them one thing though, like the present top 5 in that emitters league table, when it came to protecting their economy, the bulls**t went out the window fast. Unlike our morons who are still beavering away, ignoring reality attempting to wreck ours



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Companies can call something anything they like. It does mean it`s what`s in the tin. Right now I am looking at a bottle of water that is labeled Ishka.

    What those companies term it means nothing. It`s short term rental that for practically 100% of the time will be for individual use. No more than this bottle of Ishka being anything other than water, that "carsharing" is nothing other than short term rental.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Looks like germany is revisiting their loon plans to shut their remaining nuclear plants. A bit more of reality biting their balls and they will be revisiting the idea of restarting the ones they so foolishly shut down.

    Current global annual production of hydrogen electrolysers is one GW. An Australian hydrogen visionary has just started to build a factory that will double that, adding production capacity of 2 GW of electrolysers per annum when it's finished.

    Hooray, now we are at maybee 3 GW anually, and Germany have set goals of 100% renewables by 2035, presumably based on H2 storage? I smell BS.

    The Germans can be ahead all they like, but without electrolysers, no one is going to be making enough H to make their goals achievable. And they are again repeating the same mistake that was made with gas - underestimating the supply situation when every man and his dog also starts wanting H to make their unreliable windmills look more sensible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The oppositions only policy, like the crew here, is to point fingers not to give solutions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Ah grand.

    So I presume there’s another country on earth that have been able to use green hydrogen as a backup for when the renewables gap needs to be bridged?



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    It`s short term rental that for practically 100% of the time will be for individual use. 

    Umm, nobody said it wasn't, in fact thats exactly what it is and the shorthand term used to describe it is car sharing.

    Its no different to bike sharing schemes where "It`s short term rental that for practically 100% of the time will be for individual use" and is called bike sharing

    Not sure what the issue is you seem to have with the name, but it is what it is 🤷‍♀️



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Only a master armchair wrangler could think of such a devastating come back. 🥸



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    Doubt it as we're not there yet but I haven't looked

    FYI, further questions that can be answered by yourself doing some googling will be ignored. Thats not a dig or anything like that, just you should be able to answer your own questions



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    It maybe news to you but the old core concept of digging up oil to make and run ICE vehicles is dirty. There are “rare Earth” minerals used for refining oil and they can only be used once.

    This also maybe news to you but everything deteriorates over time even ICE vechicles and I know cause I own one. The idea of a perpetual motion machine is along way off.

    You also blab on about disposal, do you think about that when you get a plastic bag from your butcher with meat in it or a tube of toothpaste or packet of cheese from the supermarket, I doubt it. and they can only be used once and can’t be recycled unlike lithium batteries.

    when you point finger remember there are 3 pointing back at you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So in other words stop asking awkward questions that ya don’t have an answer for! Lol!

    Expected a bit more from ya dacor



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    What it is is short term rental from a car hire company. What it is not is a car owned and shared by a group of individual. For work or anywhere you needed to go such as too and from work, school runs etc. it would not be with jack as you could not depend on it being there when you actually needed it.

    Not surprised it`s a green nonsense as it fits with wind energy being of the same ilk. Undependable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    How is it punching down? My post was literally one sentence of fact and not an ounce of emotion or bile or nuance.

    Is it a good use of public money to give 15-20k to one self employed semi skilled business operator is the question I would ask, but I did not ask it there. The money would be better off spent on providing chargers to allow folks move to EV - since we need a million on the road in a couple of years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Hydrogen for public transport or energy use is really the best example of fools gold.

    It takes 3kWh of electricity to "make" (derive) 1kWh worth of energy stored in H2. It's much cleaner and energy efficient to put that 3kWh in an EV than to convert it to H2 and lose 66%.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I`m not a supporter of any party, but with the severe shortage of houses I would have thought putting roofs over peoples heads rather than retrofitting habitable houses to A BER rating would be a better spend of taxpayers money.



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    I said what I meant and I meant what I said, whatever conclusions you draw are your own concern



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    For work or anywhere you needed to go such as too and from work, school runs etc.

    While one could use it for that, that is not its intended use case as such a use case makes no sense to the end user, financially speaking. Weird that, even with what appears to be a limited understanding of it, that you would conclude this to be a use case for such a service.

    An end user with such a use case, lets say using it for work (8 hours work, plus 1 hour each way commute) would be using it for 10 hours, say a 50km each way commute, using the cheapest model from GoCar, would be paying 64eur a day (54+10), 5 days a week would be 320 eur a week, and 1280 a month.

    So yeah, nobody is using GoCar for such a use case or if they are they need their head examined



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,689 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Not necessarily. It depends on whether you can scale hydrogen production up and down quickly to use up surplus wind and solar energy which would otherwise be wasted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,065 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Our Mary Robinson was on the radio earlier this evening urging us all as individuals and families to do our bit and save the planet.

    Curiously she went schtumm when asked about politicians and business leaders using jet travel and business class etc. Our Mary had no opinion on this at all. Seems one rule for them & her and another for the rest of us.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    My understanding is that you can't, which is why all plans I have seen for eloctrolysers harnessing solar power to produce hydrogen have posited needing batteries or some such to keep the electrolysers going overnight.



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