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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The world of the green who has guzzled down Ryan`s Cool-Aid really is a weird place.

    Every idiotic utterance of the Great Leader is defended as gospel, the German experiment which has been shown to be an expensive fcuk-up the same, and a car rented from a rental company becomes a carshare. The Scientologist are only in the ha`penny place by comparison.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She's a two faced lawyer at heart. Is she still doing that public relations gig for the ruler of Dubai to put a positive spin on him keeping his freedom seeking daughter drugged to the eyeballs on psycotics and locked up in the hole he has her in?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Hydrogen production can't be scaled up and down, it needs steady reliable "baseload"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306




    I presume your implication is that I was cherry-picking. Where do you think I did that? Which of my conclusions do you disagree with:

    "The takeaway messages: wildfires have been with us forever and are not getting worse; they may get worse in future due to climate change but we can and will adapt; in terms of human flourishing they are a very tiny cause of casualties and relative income loss. Meanwhile, fires will continue to be a rich source of catastrophe porn."



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭amacca


    This to me is a big issue


    A lot of the most public spokespeople have a do as I say approach.....


    That and never answering directly when stickier issues are put to them........no acknowledgement, no acceptance that the solution may not be a solution without modification or even at all.....Plough full steam ahead with near religious fervour but ignore anything that might affect them, it does have a bang of being told by your betters what to do off it.


    And tbh that's hhe way its always been but some of the stuff being proposed doesn't stand up to even the most cursory glance nevermind scrutiny...


    It needs to be as fair a deal as possible to get a majority on board but it looks like zealots pushing an agenda that won't solve the problem to me.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    The solution is for the 1% to stay as is and everyone else adapt. If we reduce by 50% they have to do nothing. Yet our lives will be miserable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,743 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Hi

    Hydrogen on demand.

    Bye



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306



    As it happens, I've been reading up on hydrogen as an energy store for nearly two decades. To say "we are not there yet" is an understatement. A significantly hydrogen-based economy is likely 50-60 years away. As this article points out, the same was true of natural gas 60 years ago, so that in itself is not a criticism:

    There are way more challenges with hydrogen than are mentioned here. For instance hydrogen leaks more easily than methane and, while not a greenhouse gas itself, it prolongs the lifetime of methane in the atmosphere.

    But sweeping aside all objections, the salient question is whether it makes sense today to be curtailing other energy sources on the promises of a hydrogen future. This is my main point of contention with Eamon Ryan and the Irish and European Greens. My simple request is a detailed costed set of estimates with timelines and resource availability for the energy transition. It is absolutely clear to me that we do not have the remotest chance of meeting 2030 or 2050 decarbonisation goals. We are simply betting on unsuitable and/or unready technologies. I'm prepared to argue that point with anyone, but you can't argue with people whose entire plan seems to be "mañana". I wouldn't even care about the futility of trying to save 50% of 0.1% of global emissions, were it not for the potential for an economic catastrophe for Ireland.

    Even forgetting about hydrogen usage, are there examples of countries or regions that have made a success of wind and solar and where electricity prices have not soared? Germany and California stand out as ominous counterexamples. We are likely entering a period of several years of energy constraints. Listening to Ryan wittering on about a hydrogen economy that is decades away is frightening. He would do well to read up on Roger Pielke Jr.'s "iron law of climate policy" -- "when policies focused on economic growth confront policies focused on emissions reductions, it is economic growth that will win out every time". Ryan's hair shirt policies are self-defeating as the populace simply won't accept them. At least the Germans have lignite to fall back on when their policies implode. We have turned our back on indigenous resources, are reliant on imported natural gas and oil with no significant storage for either, and are woefully short of generating capacity for the next several years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306



    ... and just on that detailed costed plan thing -- it's more than a "nice to have". A judge in the UK has just ruled that country's net zero plan illegal on the basis of the lack of a detailed plan:


    Judge rules British government’s plan to reach net zero emissions was unlawful


    The British government’s plan to reach net zero emissions was unlawful because it provided insufficient detail on how the target would be met, a judge ruled in a high-profile climate case on Monday. 


    Justice David Holgate said that neither Kwasi Kwarteng, the Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy who launched the so-called net zero strategy last year, or the minister who approved the strategy on his behalf, knew how each individual policy would contribute to achieving the legally binding target, and therefore could not properly assess the credibility of the plan. He said this was a breach of the government’s obligations under the Climate Change Act.The judge said a detailed and quantified explanation of how the policies would achieve net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 was important for holding ministers to account and for “transparency”. 


    As reported by the Financial Times, he ordered ministers to publish an updated strategy by the end of March 2023.

    (Biz Post)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exact same thing happened here

    Groups around the world are following the lead FIE set and are taking their govts to court if their climate plans are not strong enough. That case led to the new climate action plan, the emission reduction tarets for sectors that will be announced on Wed and so much more.

    Incidentally FIE are once again taking the govt to court, this time over the national development plan and its environmental impact. They'll probably win that too



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306


    I can only presume you are being disingenuous. Hard to believe you cannot see the difference between the UK case where the government is being forced to explain how targets are going to be met, and the Irish one where the government is being forced to set even more unattainable targets without explaining how it is going to be done. Let's just look at the dates -- Kwasi Kwarteng the UK secretary of state for energy has nine months to provide the required detail; the Irish ruling is now two years old, was applauded by Eamon Ryan, and he has done precisely nothing to explain how his plan is going to work (which is hardly surprising, because it won't).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    the Irish ruling is now two years old, was applauded by Eamon Ryan, and he has done precisely nothing to explain how his plan is going to work 

    You'll be wanting the annex of actions which lists over 200 pages of actions and is only the first in a series of which there will be a new annex every year as actions are closed out and new ones added to the list. Note, the sectoral targets being announced next Wed are one of those actions




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    What is the worst case scenario we are looking at this winter looking at it from the point of view that there will be a high pressure system over Ireland for a couple of weeks? Little to No wind and low solar plus EU telling us to cut gas usage by 15%.

    Rolling blackouts (brownouts)?

    This is a direct result of the energy minister not building gas storage in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Green party take inspiration from how the EU operate. Left hand do not have any idea of what right hand is doing.

    So the EU is banning ICE cars promoting EV's as a solution. And then you hear that some EU lawmakers are aiming to classify lithium as a hazardous substance by labeling lithium batteries as harmful to humans.

    We truly live in a times when lunatics took over the asylum.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306


    "You'll be wanting the annex of actions which lists over 200 pages of actions and is only the first in a series of which there will be a new annex every year as actions are closed out and new ones added to the list."

    No, I don't need to know how we will "test the reduction in drag by novel design of Nephrops fishing gear" (p. 221), "promote the inclusion of measures to limit the importation of fracked gas" (p.233) or even how Ryan plans to sabotage international efforts by "phasing out of fracking through multilateral diplomacy at the EU and internationally" (p.234). That stuff is scary enough.

    But no, I'll be wanting the price of a unit of electricity in 2030 and beyond, when we are getting 70% of electricity from renewables, have 850,000 EVs on the roads, 500,000 electric heatpumps in homes, a diminishing tax take from fuels, eye-watering sunk costs in grid and infrastructure expansion and billions spent on SEAI subsidies. Where are the costings? The only number I've seen so far is €125 bn to be spent by 2030, with costs largely borne by the taxpayer (which makes sense as, contrary to Green socialist fantasies, nobody else actually generates revenue). By my reckoning, that's €66,000 for each and every Irish household in the next eight years. Does that sound credible to you?

    Scaling it up globally, if someone suggested spending 125 trillion in the next eight years (about 20% of global GDP each year) to save 50% of global emissions, would that sound credible? Because that's what Ireland has committed to for 50% of its own paltry 0.1% of emissions. And at the end of it, we will have precisely the square root of diddly squat effect on global climate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    But but EV batteries are the future. They last forever and are environmentally friendly. That's what the Greens think anyway. And when pointed out there not something something hydrogen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    When you avail of Eamon's amazing car sharing scheme and arrive at the pick up point, be sure to dispose of the heroin needle left under the passenger seat, oh and fix the flat wheel while you're at it - now there's a good lad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    We had earlier this week a "professor and climatologist" in the name of Peter Thorne publish a report casting doubt on Ireland's weather record of the past: Expert says yesterday may be hottest ever reliably recorded as doubt cast on 1887 figure (thejournal.ie)

    Very conveniently published the morning after Dublin recorded 33.0c

    Needless to say, here on the Boards Weather section his report was found to have more holes than Swiss cheese.

    Like most utterances from the green lobby - their policies and their data are usually lacking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    There is nothing amazing on car sharing idea. Some people may convince themselves and few other that they invented something but most of the time it is just somehow repackaged BS. Car sharing exist for quite some time. The cheaper it go the worse conditions and various hidden charges are attached.

    Owning a car is different. You are the one who cares about how often and how hard do you accelerate or brake as doing so has its own consequences. Car sharing is just another socialist idea where some central planner for some weird reason expects that people are some uniformed mass of the same thing. That we are all the same little parts of some collective hive mind. Most of the people still do not bother with basic recycling and amount of litter on the ground every morning mainly on the weekends show that we are far from being green planet saviors.

    Funny thing is that if they actually went for recycling and reusing, reducing packaging and stuff like that they would get more people on board rather than talking about CO2 and "climate change".



  • Registered Users Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,750 ✭✭✭jj880


    We are the whipping boys of Europe. Sh!tty end of the stick on everything. Fishing quotas, mortgage rates, price of food, vrt, price of alcohol, price of energy, the list goes on and on. Absolutely nothing regulated at all. Any time there's a grant for anything it just gets added on to price adding to inflation. Now carbon is the latest stick to beat us all with.

    Dublin should be shut down with protests over this. Problem is you will always have a cohort of fools who will boot lick politicians and try and hang off them in a photograph. It's unreal. Hard to get your head around. Sinn Fein jump up and down and shout blue murder but they will do fvck all when they get it. It'll be blame the previous government. Its scary to think what this country will look like in 5 or 10 years. Unrecognisable I'd say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Applies to us in Ireland too as we’ve been blindly following German policies like good little leprechauns


    Just like Ireland they also have 15-20 of gas within but choosing not to use it first

    —-

    But neither are Germany’s own reserves puny. At the turn of the millennium Germany was pumping out some 20bn cubic metres (bcm) of natural gas a year, enough to meet close to a quarter of national demand. But although geologists think that Germany holds at least 800bcm of exploitable gas, production has not grown but rather collapsed, to a mere 5-6bcm, equivalent to just 10% of imports from Russia.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    yes datacenters are essential for the ict economy within Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,689 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    From a global perspective, Ireland is one of the best places to locate data centres as less energy is needed for cooling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The percentage of Ireland`s electricity consumer by data centers rose from 5% in 2015 to 14% by 2021 and is still increasing. To put that in perspective, that 14% in 2021 was 2% greater than the total consumed by rural dwellings, yet greens have a problem with rural dwelling usage, but it`s O.K. for data centers as "Ireland is one of the best places to locate data centers as less energy is needed for cooling"

    Ireland is also one of the best places in the world to produce quality highly regulated beef and dairy products, yet the greens cannot wait to shut the industry down in favour of unregulated slash and burn merchants on the other side of the world.

    The green ideological hypocrisy really is mind boggling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Folks, can anyone tell me what will be the effects of climate change in Ireland in let’s say 40 years time?

    I’ve tried to find info on this but I haven’t found much.

    Are we looking at 3 consecutive weeks of 40 degrees in summer all over Ireland including at the coasts?

    Flooding?

    What exactly is this doom that’s coming?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,349 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Govt aiming to have everyone homeless or in rented accommodation by then anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So you are sea levels will rise is it?

    I presume you mean by the melting of the ice caps and the glaciers in Greenland? That put an increase of global sea levels of 70m.

    However that does not turn ireland into another rockall by 2050.

    Of course you have to factor in humans building coastal sea walls by 2050 etc.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    I used to love the summertime but now it's a constant 6 months of doom and gloom.

    Stay out of sun because ozone destroyed. My fault

    Forest fires,My fault

    Water shortage, My fault.

    A couple of decent days with good temperatures and it's like armageddon for a week on the news.

    Don't cut Turf to save the planet.

    Don't eat meat because it increases demand.

    Jesus christ almighty, I can see lockdowns being imposed shortly if the temperatures rise above a certain point.

    Time to switch off all media I think.



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