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Lisa Smith sentenced to 15 months

  • 22-07-2022 11:01am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,261 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    So she got 15months for her membership of the Islamic State death cult.


    I doubt she will serve the full 15 but none of the sentence has been suspended and she is low risk if reoffending according to the judge.

    Personally I would have thought 3+ years would have been more appropriate. But I'm sure a legal expert like a judge would know better. Then again I'm not sure what benefit a prison would serve someone like her.

    Do feel sorry for her child though.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    The only appropriate sentence for anybody involved with ISIS is death. They should have never brought her back and should have left her to be dealt with correctly in whatever desert shithole she was found in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭wangchung


    Totally agree. Only in Ireland ,do you get to 'write out a hundred lines as part of your punishment'. If that was in UK or USA, she would have received a harsh sentence. They should have left her where she was .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    15-months is an absolute disgrace.

    But I'm not surprised. Our justice system is about as light on justice as you can get. 15-months for joining a terrorist organisation death cult, and she'll be out wandering the streets - presumably filled with the same ideology that fuelled her support for ISIS.

    She should have gotten a minimum of 10-years in prison, the nasty witch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭UrbanFox


    Can the DPP appeal if they consider the sentence unduly lenient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    No one serves the full sentence. She'll most likely be out in 6 to 8 months.

    Absolute joke of a sentence. What is wrong with our justice system. We have basically just told the world, look if you're part of a major terrorist organisation and brought back to Ireland for justice, it'll be grand sure, a few months in prison and back on your merry way then. She should have been left to rot in the shithole prison she was found in. However, since they didn't do that, she should have gotten at least 10 years minimum to try and deter any other nutjobs that would consider going to join that evil group. This country never ceases to amaze me with the weak justice system and continues to be a laughing stock of the world every single day. Pathetic showing from the judges.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭gifted


    Be grand, chances are she'll be on some **** chat show when she gets out and spin a sympathy story....might even make a few bob out of it, like that drug mule Michaella McCollum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Kalimah


    I would have given her 15 years - total joke of a judicial system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,442 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    I wonder what sentence she would have got if she had joined one of our 'home grown' terrorist organisations?



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Jaziel Scary Sprint


    It's quite curious that when someone from another country commits a crime in Ireland we hear relentless "Send them back from whence they came", "if you can't abide by the laws of the land, you shouldn't be here", "Why should the Irish tax payer fund their imprisonment?", etc...

    Yet here we have an Irish citizen, who went to illegally occupied territory, which has since been reclaimed, and we expect Syria to deal with her.

    We did exactly what the British should have done (and will eventually do) with Shamima Begum, brought her home and put her on trial.

    Incidentally, I think Lisa Smith is less remorseful than Shamima Begum.





  • For all that ISIS stood for, that sentence is far too short will be a breeze to her. When she gets out she will still be radicalized and who knows what she could be involved in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Next time we hear of her will be after she straps a bomb to her chest and lets rip in the local post office. That sentence she got is zero deterrent. She’ll be out by Christmas.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,417 ✭✭✭1874


    FFS, the vitriol is unsurprising, the reality is most criminals here get away with what they did, actual crimes that affect people living here, what she has done, while stupid and I dont agree or understand what or why she did the things she has done, has not substantially affected people here or this country. Scumbags, ie day to day toe rags cause more problems, politicians have cause more harm to our society, there is no benefit locking her up other than vengeance. The people who should be locked up (which is at great cost to the state, ie us all) are

    1. Repeat offenders who cant or wont be rehabilitated
    2. Those who have committed crimes of a violent or sexual nature

    She wasn't running ISIS, she was taken in by them for foolish beliefs/reasons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,240 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Absolute joke of a sentence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Disgraceful sentence. Not really surprising though given the legal system’s penchant for treating criminals as the real “victims” of any crime.

    Nice deterrent, and precedence though, for any would be Jihadi wanting to cause similar chaos though.

    Our Country is in serious trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,093 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    'The only appropriate sentence for anyone involved with ISIS is death'

    Sounds like something someone from ISIS would say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,240 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I wish you were wrong...but past experience shows you are probably right...

    Wasn't long til he was as on the late late...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,417 ✭✭✭1874




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,093 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,141 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Seems about right to me, in the context of other sentancing

    Plus she has a child as we all know they don't like putting mothers in the slammer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    ISIS are enemies of humanity so you'll have to get over yourself if you expect people to have sympathy for them (and more fool you if you do).Every last one of them should be killed, no exceptions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    3 to 5 years is the going rate for IRA membership.

    Why exactly was Ms. Smith treated more leniently?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,417 ✭✭✭1874


    By your logic they would all have committed hari kari, Id say they see themselves as the enemies of the West, but of humanity, they likely think they are defending it from the onslaught of the West. If you don't understand other people, groups, factions and your response is as brutal and violent as theirs, is it any wonder people oppose each other in a tribal way? Or yours are comments for shock or parody, the alternative is you aren't much of a deep thinker.

    I'll have to look it up, what actual Crime was she sentenced with? do you even know yourself?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Ridiculously short sentence, but no surprise really. How can we be sure she won't be a danger to society when she gets out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,957 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The ah shur god love her defence worked I see.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    She wasn't running ISIS, she was taken in by them for foolish beliefs/reasons

    What a lame excuse.

    That sentence could apply to pretty much any terrorist organisation or group.

    You are taking away her agency as if she was a passenger in the entire process. She must take complete responsibility for her actions, and 15-months is an absolute joke. Trying to excuse away or exonerate her actions is ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Why don't you start by reading up on what ISiS have done since you don't have a **** notion apparently? There's nothing to understand about them other than being pure and utter evil savages - don't even try to sugar coat their aims as something I don't understand when you don't have the first clue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    The court said the “headline sentence” was two years and six months. In light of Smith’s mitigation and military service, a “substantial discount” of 50 per cent was applied, leading to a final sentence of 15 months.

    The sentence was 2 and a half years (30 months) with 15 months suspended.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,417 ✭✭✭1874


    Are you dense? or just a blatant liar? I never sugar coated what ISIS did or do and its there for all to see in this thread, you actually give their actions more support by idiotically stating we should have the Death penalty for the person in question here OR anyone who foolishly supported their cause. I know they tried to set up a Caliphate and I doubt you have a clue what they were up to other than what you were told. ISIS were supported to more than the tune of €800 which the person in question stupidly did. So at what point have I sugar coated what they did/do when it's yourself suggesting the death penalty. You're knee jerk reaction is laughable, just line up with everything everyone else says or what you're told to do and say, think for yourself, if that is possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,093 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Never said anyone should have sympathy for them. I just find it quite funny that you seem to lack self awareness as to how much your post read like something an ISIS member would say. Talking about humanity in one post and then wishing death on people because they are in a death cult in another.

    Couldn't make it up. 🤣



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Criminal Justice Act 1990 abolished the death penalty completely and set the punishment for treason at life imprisonment, with parole in not less than forty years


    if it wasnt treason then nothing is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭riddles


    All costs attributed to a successful conviction through the courts should be attributed to that persons future welfare and pension entitlements until fully discharged. It’s a small step but at least something as an outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,489 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Fear of being accused of islamophobia of course. The very fact that she arrived dressed like that sending a clear message that she's actually proud of what she has become should be reason enough for a very lengthy sentence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    FYI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    what surprises me is that her military service was seen by the judge as a mitigating factor rather than a compounding factor....

    I'd be far more concerned about someone with military training and experience being associated with a terrorist irganisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,727 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Have followed the case loosely and some of the mitigating factors is that she pleaded guilty early,she already did time in prison in Syria before she was returned to Ireland and they werent able to prove that she used her army experience to give Isis fighters weapons training as was first alleged. They proved membership of Isis by virtue of her marrying an Isis fighter and her sending him 800 odd euro by Western Union. But on the scale of what she could of done all they could prove was low level stuff.

    Personally I dont believe for one minute that an ex Army member with weapons experience didnt help train their fighters but as theres no proof of it she hasnt been hit with a hard sentence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,141 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    yes them boys would be queuing up to take training from a white woman, sounds like their bag alright



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭touts


    If we let her out after this sentence is served then I think there is little chance she won't slip back into her radical ways. Best case she will simply be an active recruiter for radical Islam. Worst case in 2-3 years we'll all be glued to CCTV footage of her walking into a packed Croke Park with what we then know is a suicide vest under that bulky coat.

    15 months (if she even serves that) is very light for the activities she apparently engaged in during her time as a member of ISIS. Unfortunately the DPP chose not to press charges for those allegations. But I would still expect the Syrian and Iraqi embassies will be looking at this lenient sentence today with outrage. As extradition is unlikely as she could face very severe punishment were she to stand trial in the countries she was active in then best we can hope for is she disappears into the back of a van as she walks back from the mosque one evening and winds up back in her real home serving multiple life sentences.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Jaziel Scary Sprint


    It is a million lightyears away from being treasonous.

    The standard of committing treason is so impossibly high that even the Yanks haven't convicted someone of treason since the mid-19th century.

    The Irish definition of treason was based on the US constitution so you'll be waiting a while for someone to be charged, never mind convicted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,727 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Its more complex than what you think. ISIS was not an all male affair, they had an all female battalion fighting alongside them who were trained by a white woman from Kansas who has since been convicted. So it wouldnt surprise me at all if someone with Lisa Smiths army training was helping to train ISIS fighters, whether they were male or female doesnt matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭jmreire


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,049 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    If this is an Irishman their getting 3 years minimum. Yet another example of a woman getting a very light sentence by the Irish justice system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,049 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    She never plead guilty, she should have, but she didn't.

    Also I don't think she is the trained assassin been made out she is, she worked as an air hostess on the government jet for a finish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭jack of all


    I'm glad that's over for now, her repatriation, legal costs and cost of incarceration must be costing the Irish taxpayer many 100ks. Plus when she gets out she'll be most likely unemployable and a drain on our welfare system for the rest of her life. Some achievement for someone who was by all accounts unremarkable prior to departing the defence forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    She is a traitor and has rejected Ireland and Irish values.

    Give her a Quaran and sail her out to Rockall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    She was only a tiny cog in the ISIS terror machine..far far worse were all those governments supplying them with weapons, buying their stolen oil and even giving their wounded medical assistance.All happy to assist them as long as they killed Syrians and wrecked the country.

    But these vermin will never be held to account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    15 months is a very lenient sentence, the max she could have been given was 8 yrs, I think 15 months sends out the wrong message for more wannabes.

    If she was tried in a court in the US, she would have gotten 15 yrs minimum , never mind 15 months.

    With good behaviour and a low level of repeat offending, she will get remission and will walk in 7 months time.

    That's just my humble opinion.

    Another poster mentions they feel sorry for the child? Why? This is the child she had with the ISIS fighter she went over to Syria.

    I presume her parents are still alive, they will be legal guardians until LS is released from prison.

    P1ss poor sentencing, Ireland is a nanny state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    The amount of people who come on here when a sentence has been dished out, and emphatically state its has been far too lenient, is quite disturbing.

    Back in the day when people were tarred/feathered, hanged, or dragged through the streets as punishment, there was always a large gathering of people cheering on, I've often wondered would this still occur in current times, and given the sample size on boards I'd quite confidently say there would be a large congregation baying for blood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,141 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    this women was passed around and married 5 different men, I'd say her involvement was minor, given she was a teacher

    They hate women



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,727 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    yeah she worked on the jet but you can only presume that if she trained in the army then she was trained in weapons which would have been useful to Isis. They did have female trainers, a US female was convicted of it.



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