Is it time to join Nato

There are two sides. One is stacked with the biggest autocratic assholes and terrorists with advisors active on the ground - Trying to tear apart a sovereign state , recognised by the UN, including Ireland by the way.

I know which side I'm not on. You don't. You're a valueless apologist. You only see conflict when you want to see it. And you only find a moral compass when the objects of your political doctrinaire obsession are in the frame, no matter how tangentally.

Once again, the UK is not a party or belligerent to the conflict. Iran have agents, military advisors and their terrorists proxies live on the ground orchestrating and sponsoring attacks. You don't seem all that bothered, and only find your voice when someone like Owen Jones, John Pilger or George Galloway start bleating.

By the way, you've moved your dancing on the head of a pin to another stance.

You're gone from "always causing conflict"...

to now saying...

"keeping conflict going"

Neither are true, but there's a material difference in your linguistic retreat. And epistemologically, you're on ridiculous crumbling ground.

Because it has nothing to do with the value of the North Atlantic Treaty, which has proven it's worth in securing the European peace and keeping autocratic sh*tbags in their box over the 20th and 21st centuries now.

Against what rules? You clearly haven't read the court judgement. As sovereign nation, the UK is perfectly entitled to licence arms exports. Just as Ireland does.

The following comes directly from the UK Court of Appeal judgement:

"The decision of the court today does not mean that licences to export arms to Saudi Arabia must immediately be suspended. CAAT did not ask for such an order. It does mean that the UK government must reconsider the matter, must make the necessary assessments about past episodes of concern, allowing for the fact that, in some cases, it will not be possible to reach a conclusion. The government must then estimate the future risks in light of their conclusions about the past."

Arms exports to Saudi Arabia remain perfectly legal under UK and international law. And that's a matter of legal fact despite what you heard from Owen Jones, George Galloway or An Phoblacht.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/CAAT-v-Secretary-of-State-and-Others-Open-12-June-2019.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjEyI-p64z5AhXNgVwKHQccASQQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3n1zEGvjD2exsyLglgpwq5

Read it and weep. Don't dare try to infer I'm a liar again. You may be content to lie but other people have higher standards.

What I quoted above is directly taken from the text above and is the nexus of the verdict.

UK arms sales to Saudi are perfectly legal under British and international law and it's there for you in in black and white.

Read it, weep. You're quoting from a press release from the sandal wearers in CAAT, I'm quoting verbatim from the court's judgement.

No, they "secured legality" because the UK Court of Appeal affirmed the exports' lawfulness. And it's there for you in black in white. You don't get to turn the words of the UK Court upside down because you're getting hockeyed on facts.

Stop making sh*t up. You won't get away with it.

Serious question, do you have reading comprehension difficulties? Because if you don't, you're fundamentally dishonest.

You can read Francie, I know that much. The Court of Appeal judgement is there in black and white. Arms export licenses to Saudi are 100 percent lawful.

Liz Truss admitted to what? You're making sh*t up Francie. The Foreign Office was mandated by the Court of Appeal to conduct assessments and they conducted assessments.

FYI, if you think Truss wrote that statement you're more clueless than I thought. Civil Servants wrote it and she read it out. If you think for a second Foreign Office officials go around issuing statements admitting to 'breaking rules' (as you put it) off the back of Court of Appeal directions you don't have the first clue about the world. And the statement was an affirmation they followed the Court's directions. The precise opposite of what you posted. The directions were from same court that affirmed the lawfulness of arms export licences.

You're seriously naiive. You read something from an interest group and take it as fact without engaging your grey matter whatsoever.

Francie, you're out of road. Over the past dozen pages, you've been caught out so many times. I've never seen a poster collapse their reputation as a credible contributor in such a spectacular fashion.

Deep waters don't suit you. Stick to the shallow end where the anti-everything front agree with you wholesale - and then you all go off hit the peace pipe convinced you're the righteous ones.

It would be helpful if you read the article.

Here's what we are talking about:

- fuel guages to Jordan (licences unused and revoked after departmental review)

- A repair contract for IED detection equipment (licence unused and revoked)

- Radio parts (before the court's decision was known, also revoked)

All were picked up by department officials while the exports were suspended pending assessments which would allow for the resumption of completely lawful exports.

This is what you're losing your sh*t over. Not a single deadly item in the bunch. And all licence issuance errors were picked up by officials.

Arms sales resumed in mid-2020 following the appropriate assesment procedures as recommended by the court.

The notion that international law was and is being broken by the sales is completely false (and not even the Guardian article states that).

And by the way there was no UN Court judgement on any of this, you made that up. What you had was a UN panel of appointees producing a report. That's not a court Francie.

Lol, now you're trying to drag the NI Protocol into the mix. The Chagos islands now. You're all over the f*cking map.

Liz Truss, as much as she's a tool, didn't ignore any rules. Your own link revealed all licence errors were picked up by civil servants. Exports resumed after the court directed assessments were put in place. That's called following the law.

You have been so thoroughly routed it's not even funny. You were dragged into deep waters and you've drowned in your own ignorance.

Suspicions my backside. You're deep in conspiracy land and your Anglophobia is bordering on the mentally ill.