Lisa Smith sentenced to 15 months

"I had a look for other sentences of membership of an illegal org but google is now full of links to this case and I didn't feel like doing much trawling.

Found one case from 2002 a PIRA member found with the addresses of members of the Garda Emergency response unit on a handwritten note among other details more significant in his case and he was only sentenced to 3 years."

I'll trawl for you

Robert Day - jailed for 5 years

Conor Metcalfe - jailed for 4.5 years

Vincent Banks - jailed for 5 years (conviction subsequently quashed)

Robert O'Leary - jailed for 3 years (conviction subsequently quashed)

Kevin Braney - jailed for 4.5 years

Ciaran Maguire - jailed for 4 years and 11 months

Just a small few of the links I found when I put "IRA membership sentencing" into google

Edited to add: all of the above were for membership of an unlawful organisation

I wouldn't. 15-20 yrs would seem appropriate. Possibly early release if there was evidence that she engaged in de-radicalisation courses etc. Again, even 15-20 would be generous compared to an ex Brit or US soldier who was convicted of similar.

Agreed on everything you say here. The even more worrying aspect will be that extremist Islamicists will be looking at this thinking - correctly - that Ireland is a soft touch for those who wish to commit similar offenses.

Your speaking absolute garbage mate. Do me a favour.

all convictions/sentences I referenced were for membership of an unlawful organisation. A simple google got me those results yet this person gets 15 months.......

There is subsections in that.

From memory one of the people on your list provided a vehicle for a murder of a prison officer, that sends it up a few notches.

Joint longest actually, it was subsequently ruled as an unsafe conviction.

Apologies - I misread this one

"A used car dealer from Dublin has had his conviction for IRA membership quashed at the Court of Appeal.

43-year-old Robert O'Leary, of Clancy Road, Finglas in Dublin, had pleaded not guilty but was convicted at the Special Criminal Court in October 2020 and sentenced to three years in prison.

The trial heard he had supplied a Skoda Octavia car used by the New IRA when they placed a bomb under a PSNI officer's Jeep at Shandon Park Golf Club in Belfast on June 2019."

Anyhow - IMO (not that it matters) Lisa Smiths sentence is ridiculously lenient

Disgusted at this slap on the wrist - the fact that she served in the military should have increased the sentence. Courts are an absolute joke in this country, she should be doing 10 to 15 years. Better yet would’ve been to never let her come back, some poor person is going to have to live beside her.

Aside from duty on the Govt Jet for official functions, do we even know what levels and in which military functions she trained in after basic training?

Who knows what she did when living inside the Caliphate, thats half the problem here, it was entirely controlled by Isis so there was no independent eye witnesses as to what went on in there. The documentary Once Upon a Time in Iraq has some footage from inside it in Mosul with executions happening almost daily but other than that it was very strictly controlled.

iirc when the Caliphate collapsed Lisa Smith was interrogated by American counter intelligence officers first and then later Irish officials. It wouldnt have been that hard for her to just say she spent her days doing nothing but praying and minding her child or whatever and they never could have proved otherwise. Given her husband knew well of her military background Id be surprised if she wasnt put to work in some way or other, it was a war after all and thats when extreme views get put asisde in favour of pragmatism of winning the war. It has to be remembered as well that she expressed favourable views towards jihad to her Muslim friend in Dundalk before she left Ireland so she was no shrinking violet and her mindset was in admiration of the violence that was going on to live under strict Sharia law. But it couldnt be proved she did anything unless she self incriminated so here she is with a 15 month sentence, likely out in under a year..

yeah there or thereabouts. I think 15 months was a lenient sentence, it should have been more like 3 or 4 years to send a message to anyone else thinking of doing something so daft as to join a terrorist group. But her having a child obviously came in to the judges thinking

I personally think it's b*llox that she's getting this sentence given the fact that we are importing thousands of "helpless 18-30 year old african males" found floating around on a raft in the Mediterranean. All looking for the best welfare countries to pay for flights for their families over here. We don't know who they are or what militias they could be a part of.

Now we have to pay to keep her imprisoned for 15 months and maybe childcare to look after her child. I don't think she's any threat to anyone and would likely work and pay tax like everyone else.

She might go the self employed route - open a halal tea shop. Scones so good you'd go jihad for them.