"Green" policies are destroying this country

Oh Jesus! Don’t give them ideas!!!!!

Get together with some neighbours and fund a well.

There is a definite parallel between many of them and the old Catholic Church doctrine that the more suffering the better your chances of reaching the promised land. It was nothing other than sadism from those well insulated from any worldly suffering and it hasn`t changed much since by the look of things.

There are some on here that can barely contain their glee at the suffering their ideology will cause areas of society that they disapprove of for reasons Sigmund Freud would have struggled to unravel.

D'accord to that.

So what are you saying, that having lost that vote the solution is cutting our herds for the same slash and burn merchants to fill the gap in demand. ?

I though greens were all about global climate change and emissions. Do they somehow believe that cattle in such countries produce less emissions, even aside from the methods used in farming them and the dodgy regulatory control ?

The sum total of what the Irish greens are looking for will be a global reduction of zero as far as emissions are concerned. For the country it will cost the economy 4 billion in exports and 56,000 unemployed.

Way to go green`s. Ideological nutcases that cannot see past the end of their own noses.

How did I forget about that one. Once again the worst off. Most debt per head in the EU. Be grand sure.

Ok so would it not be better for the GP to be concentrating on security of supply of our fruit and veg by incentivising cattle farmers (who they seem to want to screw over) to convert to hydroponic vertical cars for example, poly tunnels etc etc?

It's one of the Green party's main policies on agriculture, Eamon Ryan's been banging on about it for years.

Encourage diversification from a mostly animal-based model to one that produces grains, vegetables, fruit, nuts and plant-based products.

But I don't see why this should all rest on the Green party, surely the other parties are smart enough to know we should probably think about the future and diversification?

Why isn't the Fianna Fail minister for ag doing this? He's the one with all the power.

Basically the idea is that we should become self sufficient in all our food needs. If every country followed that suggestion then it would be similar to an eye for an eye where eventually the whole wold would be blind.

The global economy cannot operate on that basis. It`s one of the reasons that we have trade agreements. Some countries for various reasons, the climate ironically being among the main, can produce certain produce much better than others. For example, have you ever tasted Irish produced wine, and for one of our staple foods, yeast breads our wheat grain is unsuitable.

For horticulture the greens are pushing for produce being organically grown. I have nothing against organically grown produce, but the reality is that it`s similar to the eye for eye in that for the same yield, even in Europe, between 22% and 33% more acreage would have to be sown. With poorer soils in many parts of the world that figure would be even higher and just not viable.

Anyone with even the slightest knowledge and foresight will see that Europe produces food to a high standard with surpluses to export. We do it well for beef and dairy produce because of those various reasons I mentioned, others in Europe do it well for other produce. The foresight is seeing that with the projected rise in world population that surplus is needed to feed those that will be unable to do so themselves. Green ideology is totally ignoring that, and it is something that is actually as much, if not more, as quantifiable as a looming future disaster due to climate change.

shouldn't we covering the roof of every building with them before filling green fields ??????? and reducing the growth beneath the panels.

Well I'm only talking about Ireland, as the years go by and situations deteriorate worldwide we'll need to focus on feeding ourselves a varied diet, I didn't realise it was up to Ireland to feed the rest of the world. And obviously prices will go through the roof in the coming years as global supplies dwindle.

I know nothing about organic farming but I would imagine the amount of food produced reduces drastically if it all goes organic. Obviously polluting less while producing food is something that should always be on the agenda though.

Another genuine question but why is Irish wheat not grown for flour? Or is it? Maybe I picked that up wrong?