Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Do you believe climate change is the most urgent global emergency

  • 23-07-2022 5:54am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭kyote00


    In your opinion and as understood by you, is climate change the top global emergency

    Do you believe climate change is the most urgent global emergency 186 votes

    Yes
    46% 86 votes
    No
    53% 100 votes


«13

Comments

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Absolutely. What we've seen so far isn't even the tip of the iceberg. It's only going to get worse without drastic action.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    I agree entirely but expect the poll to say the opposite. Boards seems to have a very strong global warming denying element.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Climate change concerns me, but not nearly as much as the more widespread ecological and environmental changes and rate of extinctions that have become ever more rapid. Now climate change impacts that of course, but these changes have been going on even before the climate started shifting. The planet has lived through a few mass extinctions. A couple of which it barely survived. We're living through another one and have been for 20,000 years, but again it's sped up in the last 2000 and really sped up in the last 200. An upward shift of a couple of degrees will be a game changer, but the loss of diversity will make that ten times worse.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Oh, absolutely. Parts of this place are toxic cesspits now. You see all sorts of flippant comments about not being enjoy the weather and other such nonsense. I'd frankly be a bit freaked out if the people pushing anti-vaxx, racism and all that guff started talking sense about climate change.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    absolutely, we re already starting to see crop failures occurring, and regions which are quickly becoming uninhabitable, so get ready.....



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Greed, selfishness, ignorance, short term thinking, wilful ignorance,....

    Biggest emergency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭Brid Hegarty


    Yeah, but after the war on Ukraine. What's going on in Putin's head? We could be in for more of a surprise. War is like a hobby to him.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You might want to have a word with this guy then 😄

    "Bill Gates has joined a £3bn bidding war to buy the world’s largest private jet services company just as he prepares to publish his new book 'How To Avoid A Climate Disaster'.

    According to a study by academics at Lund University, Gates is one of the world's biggest "super-emitters" due to his regular private jet travel.

    Gates, who says in the foreword to his forthcoming book that he has spent a decade investigating the causes and effects of climate change, did not respond to requests for comment about his views on the carbon footprint of private jets."





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...of course its a hobby, hes probably on the cluster b spectrum, whereby creating mayhem is fun!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,629 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    The climate is always changing. Remember the ice age? A few sunny days and it's an emergency, it's called summer. It happens once a year.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If the big guys pushing this agenda from up top don't actually follow the rules themselves, it's obvious they're not really concerned about it.

    Nice excuse for more taxes and restrictions, though 👍🏻 Latest "emergency" for the plebs 😄



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    A linkdump and a snide comment followed by more snide comments. A perfect example of what I was describing above.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Do you have to be one or the other? What about if you agreed that we need to look after our planet but recognise the incesent scaremongering by the media and blatant oportunism from governments etc using said alarmism to eventually rob people blind.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I've just proved to you that the people pushing this agenda don't practice what they preach. At all. Perhaps they know something you don't?

    Al Gore also made a fortune out of this "climate emergency". Alas, his doomsday predictions didn't happen. They never do...

    Feel free to pay your "carbon tax" or whatever, but don't be mad at me for simply pointing out that you're getting duped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Covid emergency, brexit, climate emergency, ukraine emergency, housing crisis, cost of living crisis...

    Fùck off with your emergencies and leave me the fùck alone....

    Post edited by StevenToast on

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭Brid Hegarty




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    You sir, wrote the book on snide remarks. Here's a novel idea for you, make an actual counter argument, discredit the link etc. Anything except your usual one or two line snide remarks or call for "evidence please" that we have come accustomed from you on Boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭Brid Hegarty


    Curious, how do they disprove what Michael O'Leary said on the late late a number of years ago. I think he said all the carbon emitted from leave fall is next to nothing compared to that emitted from man made sources.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You posted a snide comment and dumped a link. You've proved nothing. Some people are hypocrites, shocker.

    I'm being duped. Evidence please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,688 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    probably worth making a distinction between urgent and important. yes, the most important global issue, but certainly not being treated with the urgency it deserves.

    and the 'we can't prove it's anthropogenic, so no point in doing anything about it' argument is farcical. because by the time you've proved it to the satisfaction of the sceptics, it'll be way too late. probably already is.

    believing it's anthropogenic and being wrong about it is a hell of a different propostion to believing it's not anthropogenic, and being wrong.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Bruce Yummy Mower


    You mean the wealthy folk that have the means to ride it out while the rest of us are killing each other over resources?

    A compelling argument.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not just him. All puppet politicians and "world leaders" flew in (many on private jets) to the COP Climate Conference to discuss how your carbon footprint is causing a problem. These same people will try to implement a carbon tax on you, whilst continuing to live however they want themselves.

    Again, tell me, what do you know that they obviously don't? Or, are you just willing to pay your "carbon tax" and accept further restrictions to offset their behaviour and lifestyles?

    Yes, I would consider that being duped, or at least having a slave-like mindset.

    People are only talking about this so much lately as the media are pushing it heavily. As I said, the latest "crisis" for the plebs. Thankfully, a lot of folk are starting to see through it, as evidenced by similar recent threads.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No evidence. Just the same old tired, Trumpster twaddle.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Bruce Yummy Mower


    To be honest, I think we're too far gone already.

    As hard as scientists work our data always seem to be several years behind.

    Even countries/companies that are on target to half their emissions by 2030 are nowhere near ambitious enough.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, the same people who repeatedly say there's going to be a major food crisis, simultaneously impose restrictions on farmers and food production because of the "climate emergency".

    Hmm... 🤔



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What's Trump got to do with anything? Are you one of those "Left v Right", "Trump v Biden" type folk? 😄

    My friend, none of these politicians (including Trump and Biden), self-called "elites", or hypocritical "climate activists" give a damn about you. Now go pay them your carbon tax 😄👍🏻



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Data as plural? Good man!

    Seriously, yes. I don't think it's so much about scientists as it is about the general public. We cannot go on as we have been. This is simple fact. Radical change is needed and the public won't be up for this unless they think it is important. Of course, there will always be those who spread disinformation but the good news is that most people acknowledge the problem. Even the mainstream right has shifted to dithering and bad faith tactics instead of pretending that climate change is a hoax.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I genuinely don't know



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    If it isn't the most urgent emergency then what is? Nuclear war could sneak up on us very quick but very hard to gauge the threat level



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭newmember2


    Planetary climate systems are so vast and complex that if we really are seeing any changes due to human activity then it's already way past the point of doing anything about it. That ship has sailed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,629 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Nah. I'm just sick and tired of being taxed to death in the name of "climate change" while other developing countries do nothing and the people lecturing you are elite millionaires flying around the world in private jets. It's got nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with making money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I think it is a real issue and I think it is a problem. However, I also think it gets rammed down everyone's throat a bit too much. There is no harm in everyone doing their bit, but it does not stop the sale of big 4 wheel drives and new mobiles every year. I think it more often then not gets abused as a stick to hit everyone with. It kind of appears similar to the power which Religious Clerics and Zealots had in the middle ages. They had the almighty power of "God" and if you did not believe them you were condemned to hell, you could be burnt at the stake for not believing in the bible, it happened.

    It is all a bit hazy, the science.... and we will not really know the repercussions of the current human footprint for centuries to come?

    As a species humans have evolved dramatically in the last 100 years or 3-4 generations. I can walk out the door and drive to a local Mickey Dees and buy my dinner from out my side window whilst talking into a metal perforated box, I can then eat that "meal" and throw the rubbish into a plastic bin which gets collected and dumped into landfill somewhere out of sight. My grandparents would be shocked by it. They had to grow their own Veg or they didn't eat, that is not that long ago? The world is tiny now, I can be in a nightclub in Cape Town by midnight, that journey used to take over a month 100 years ago. I think a greater threat to the human race is how we might be dropping the ball on how resourceful we are.

    It also goes too far, chastising dairy farmers over methane from cow shight is too much of a stretch for me? Bovines have been shighting all over the planet for millions of years, all of a sudden some Danish professor announces that cow shight is killing the environment and every livestock farmer ends up in hardship, something is not adding up for me on that one? It is not unlike the clerics of the 15th century calling out heretics from the pulpit.

    But that being said I think that humans are robust and natural survivors. Yes there will be problems with Global warming, but we will adapt and persevere. Life is not a disaster movie, it is a great gift and privilege, go and enjoy it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,095 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Your carbon tax adds up to a couple hundred euros a year. Your taxes have been used to subsidse the fossil fuel industry your entire life.

    You're being manipulated by those same interests to associate green policies with taxes while ignoring the billions spent on oil and gas subsidies



  • Advertisement
  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,456 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Iceberg? What iceberg? - that iceberg has blended into its surroundings.....

    The problem is everyone leaves it to someone else. And ultimately those of us who have benefitted from globalisation and the best standards of living are happy to leave it all for the next generation to sort out, by which time it will be too late (and probably already is too late to some extent, but equally starting to properly address it now will improve the chances for future generations)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,115 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I don’t think I would use the word “urgent”, since it places too much emphasis on the time factor. “Pressing” or “serious” would be better words for it. It demands sustained, meaningful, comprehensive changes to what we do and how we do it.

    Metaphor: everyone knows that crash diets don’t lead to lasting weight loss, but rather that becoming more healthy requires more permanent changes to one’s lifestyle. In the same way, climate change won’t be “solved” quickly by panicking and making drastic changes that aren’t sustainable over the long term.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    ah here developing countries are not the ones who caused this mess. The fact that there are hypocrites or green politicians in business class doesn't mean we're not f*cked. I don't think people are going to take it seriously until crop failures become more and more frequent, and it's already happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭Brid Hegarty


    So you're not a climate change denier then... good!

    I don't see it as lecturing, and if it is then they're really lecturing each other, not you or me.

    How much truth is there to the millionaires flying around in jets theory? I get the point but I suspect it's really just an Alex Jones type red herring. I guess only poor David Attenborough isn't smart enough to suspect that it's all about money?

    And what are you saying so, that we should just do nothing about climate change? Wouldn't you be complaining about too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭Brid Hegarty




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭KilOit


    Not climate change as such but what affects it. hate seeing the rain forests being wiped out and plastic and oil spills into the oceans.

    Pending fear would be evolving super powers, I think a civil war in America will happen and a 3rd world war, scary things happening in China now, massive financial collapse is about to happen. 10 years time the world will be a very different place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭harmless


    Each one releasing more Co2 in 2 hours than I will be responsible for in 1 year.

    Is this proof that Co2 footprint was just invented by British Petroleum to shift blame away from powerful people and corporations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...maybe, we cant keep doing what we re doing, wealth will always be protected, but its up to us to keep highlighting its obligations also, including our own....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Voted no. It's blown out of all proportion by interest groups that stand to make money from keeping people fearful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I still struggle to comprehend how 3rd millennium cow shight is producing more methane than the cow shight dropped by their ancestors over the centuries? Surely manure dropped 300 years ago was just as detrimental to the environment as manure produced by modern cattle? This is what the scientists have gotten over the line, did no one question this, or are we not allowed to?

    I also doubt very much that Ireland's carbon footprint is of any significance on the global scale of things? I can only imagine that measures taken by the 6 million people on the island are merely token efforts when compared to the industrial carnage being raged in developing Africa, India, China or say the Philippines? I respect that it is very noble of us to recycle and purchase 80k electric cars, but the reality is that we are literally a blip in the Atlantic ocean, they may as well ban sheep farming in New Zealand.

    What fuel is used to procure the lithium that is running those batteries? Lead acid, zinc air, nickel cadmium, lithium phosphate... be the hokey. The cringing reality is that you couldn't drive from one end of the country to the other without needing to recharge. What a shambles. I reckon they have as much future at the Betamax video, I said it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭harmless


    But most well know climate change activists are super emitters. Responsible for the equivalent pollution per year as thousands of people.

    Do they know something we don't? Why don't they believe in personal responsibility?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,054 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No but they are going to be the ones that add most of the carbon this century.


    So they will tip it from problem to crisis to disaster.


    Largely fighting climate change is a Western Europe and North America passion, most of the world doesn't care.


    That's a problem.


    Western Europe and North America going net zero will be dwarfed by Asian carbon output alone.


    We are all in it together, only sometimes it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    are they really, care to share those resources that confirms this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭harmless


    There was no industrilised farming. Eating meat was consider a luxury not so long ago.

    Ireland has it's part to play as part of the EU which contains 450 million people.

    If we can reduce our polution per capita to that of the developing countries you listed we will be on the right track.

    A transition from cars to EV cars would be a mistake, there are much more efficient modes of transport.



  • Advertisement
Advertisement