Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

I personally think Tom Conan not terribly bright , I've been listening to numerous military analysts talk utter shyte for months , all way off the mark to date , those that were correct ignored my Zelenskyy.

Putin the Pig has infact already won in the sense he's lost no ground, actually increased his percentage of control of Ukraine, all he needs to do now is goad Zelenskyy for a few more months , eventually he and the rest of the Clownshop in the EU and US will tire of this , Winter coming, a deal will be struck, Zelenskyy told to put up or shut up , it's disgusting I know but this is how I see this playing out ,

Governments in Europe can not sustain this virtue signalling nonsense much longer, they are running out of money and support of their own citizens, access to oil and gas from Russians will Trump any notions of prolonged support for what is now essentially a skirmish in 20% of Ukraine, Basically we are 150 days into this and nothing achieved but economic chaos despite Billions in military aid being sent to Ukraine.

Grim I know but we've been here before with Putin.

Don't forget the clown from Miami who hoodwinked sympathy for two days on the Live line programme, bitched about SW payments and turned down a free apartment in Youghal, that story was quickly dropped like a bad habit.

Can anyone explain to me like, how this can be allowed with this shower? Them sitting on prime land already with permission while the world burns around them. Who is responsible for letting this happen.

I can't link so ye will have to add the dots yerself

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That has been going on for years. I could point you probably to dozens of posts I've made saying that there should be a punitive, and enforced, vacant site tax on all such land. As soon as it is rezoned, the clock starts ticking. Once permission is granted for planning, a new clock starts ticking with an even higher rate. Obviously with some reasonable allowed time period where it is waived.

But who is responsible? Is it the government?

I think the clock ticking thing is a great idea. I have a boi down my way and he's got land in for the planning. He's sitting on land up the road for 40 houses and he's looking for 15 more? Build the ones you have and then apply for the others. 2 years and it's all overgrown now and the original house is falling apart and looks ugly. We have tents being hired for Ukrainians. I can't even get my head around it like.

Ultimately the Legislature sets the laws and the government decides on taxation.

Permission for houses granted today. Ok, clock starts ticking. 0% of the projected developed value this year in a levy, 1% the following year, 2% the next year and so on and so on. That would be my idea. The numbers could be modified to suit. Similar for rezoned land with no permission. Maybe a year or two grace there.

course you'd leave NY for soft soap ireland. The US is not a welfare state like here, if you don't work hard and pay your way, nobody actually cares if you end up on the street and starving.

You'd look less silly if you read his link. The lady in question has opened a nail bar in Dublin and is employing 4 Ukrainians.

Are you perhaps a little sensitive that some lady whose life was thrown into disarray about 4 months ago, completely changed direction, started from zero, and is possibly already doing better than yourself?

"Own Door Accommodation" was Roderic O'Gorman's promise to provide new arrivals with their own home within 4 months of them getting here. I thought that's what you meant when you referenced tents being used when this land stood idle.

I completely agree with your post above though. The situation itself is bad enough, but the nonsense being layered on top of it that you can't even question it without being branded a racist is farcical. The attitude from your FG councillor doesn't surprise me. See my post a few pages back on FG as a party and their attitude to the people of this State.

Home ownership has increasingly been put beyond the reach of people like your brother and myself for that matter. As a "squeezed middle" earner, I pay a fortune in tax yet get no benefit for it as I am entitled to virtually no return for it. Aside from the cost of housing, the lack of supply means that you're now not just competing with other individuals and couples, but the Councils who are buying anything that comes up for social housing (and using our taxes to do it), or investment funds who are then renting it back to us at exorbitant rates.

This is what we have ended up with under 11 years of a FG government. Far from the new approach promised by Enda Kenny in the wake of the crash, we got not only more of the same, but they've managed to make these core issues of health, housing, and others significantly worse while Leo and his "New FG" chase likes on Twitter and Tik Tok.

Not at all I wasn't being entirely serious. It would be great if we could give everyone this kind of support when creating new businesses.

What are you bladdering about?

You gullibly fell for some anonymous tweet that a 66 bedroom hotel was going to accommodate 350 single adult Ukrainian refugees at 135 Euro a night each. That works out at more than 5 to a room. (The 135 Euro rate is for single adults per night and is the maximum allowed rate. Rural and lower standard accommodation will be less. Children and spouses are allowed a max of 25. Reduced rates for B&B's though)

If you really believed that, wouldn't ya be better getting on that train rather than moaning and bitching online about it?

No one will get the kind of support that the Ukrainian lady had. Any Irish entrepreneur would have to find money for the rental deposit, the rent payable in advance, and the legal fees to cover the agreement. There would also be the electricity deposit. That's just for starters.